So are all 1/0 gauge wire created equal?

ZTwenty8SSR · Post by **ZTwenty8SSR** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:33 pm

AAMP217 wrote:If you value driving the vehicle you are installing the system in DO NOT USE copper clad aluminum wire in your vehicle. No matter how cheap it is. In the business of high current wire, you get what you pay for.

The KnuKonceptz is copper clad aluminum I almost bought some until I read this.
What is so bad about it?

Post by **ttocs** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:38 pm

this is all news to me. I mean I have seen cheap wire that shouldn't be used in a car but CCA not being good to use is something I would like to hear bout.

akwizeguy · Post by **akwizeguy** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:02 pm

i bought some knu entry level wire that i suppose was CCA, the strands were hard to work with, they didnt really mold together like most wiring ive had experience with. It was difficult placing the wire into the amp power terminals for me anyways. So personally im going to try to stay away from that type of wiring.

tonym · Post by **tonym** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:55 pm

akwizeguy wrote:i bought some knu entry level wire that i suppose was CCA, the strands were hard to work with, they didnt really mold together like most wiring ive had experience with. It was difficult placing the wire into the amp power terminals for me anyways. So personally im going to try to stay away from that type of wiring.

KCA Kable is hard to bend?

Kolossus Copper Aluminum Kable (KCA Kable) has arrived! The KCA Kable uses the same ultra flex PVC found in the Kolossus Fleks Kable and the Copper Clad Aluminum (CCA) conductor from the KLMX Kable. Copper Clad Aluminum (CCA) is made up of 90% Aluminum and 10% Copper. CCA overall provides a cost effective solution to most audio systems. Assembled from stranded 34 gauge CCA, the KCA Kable is equal in size to the Kolossus Fleks Kable, but is designed for lighter current loads and not lightening your wallet.
The KCA series 1/0 Black Cable offers improved flexibility over the 'KLMX' Series and a rugged PVC outer jacket that is impervious to grease and oil. The PVC outer jacket can with-stand the extreme temperatures (-40 to 105 C) and capable loads of 250A. Price is per foot.

rscecil007 · Post by **rscecil007** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:04 pm

I'm guessing he's talking about the older KLMX series cable. I've heard it's not so flexy.

akwizeguy · Post by **akwizeguy** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:18 pm

no its not hard to bend, what i was trying to say was the strands didnt really mold very well together. Like for instance, speaker wire, you can twist the copper with ease if your trying to fit it into an opening or what not, the strands just sort of mold together right? With that entry level Knu wire, the copper strands just kind of went everywhere, so it was difficult trying to place it in the power terminal of the amp. Im trying to explain it as best as I can?

rscecil007 · Post by **rscecil007** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:19 pm

Ah, yes, I understand what you mean now. It just wanted to "frazzle" or frizz out, for lack of a better term.

akwizeguy · Post by **akwizeguy** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:21 pm

yeah exactly, i found that really frustrating personally, so just my opinion

Post by **ttocs** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:32 pm

I think that is just the way most high current cable goes. The thinner the individual strands are the better and also the harder to get to twist together.

tonym · Post by **tonym** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:32 pm

Kolossus Fleks Kable for me then..

stuff looks nice...

Thumper88 · Post by **Thumper88** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:00 pm

tonym wrote:Kolossus Fleks Kable for me then..

stuff looks nice...

I absolutely love the stuff....wouldn't use any other wire for the price.

tonym · Post by **tonym** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:22 pm

Thumper88 wrote:
tonym wrote:Kolossus Fleks Kable for me then..

stuff looks nice...
I absolutely love the stuff....wouldn't use any other wire for the price.

do you have ends on it? im looking at some stinger ends

http://www.stingerelectronics.com/produ ... egoryID=10

http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop ... /SFV/30046

will be going with that 1

Just want to make sure the cable will fit without having to thin the heard at all...

Thumper88 · Post by **Thumper88** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:33 pm

I don't use those type of ends....crimp and solder style for me. Standard 1/0 terminals fit just fine though.

Post by **ttocs** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:34 pm

in both my truck and my stang around the dist blocks that I mounted in the consol would not have been able to happen if it was not super twisty wire. The knu wire was just barely able to make it, I should try and get a pic of the truck as it would help to sell it to you guys. it is good stuff...

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:30 pm

the stuff is like a wet noodle ..... for the price it's top notch 3.60/ft is nothin for a good chunk of wire. I personally would not skimp and get CCA wire just for the fact that i spend good money on good gear why skimp on power wire.

JayGold · Post by **JayGold** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:57 pm

Continuing with this thread...

So I'm about to pull the trigger on the Knu Kolossus Fleks Kable 1/0 Red Power and they just happen to be out of stock

In the mean while, I'm estimating I'll require 25 feet to cover the following:

Battery to trunk Ti power distribution
Alternator to fuse box-->battery
Starter to fuse box-->battery

Is there anything I'm missing above?
Any suggestions as to wiring to the OEM fuse box, or do I avoid this and install my own fuses?

In addition, I'll need about 5 feet of 1/0 ground to cover:

Battery to chassis
Engine block to chassis
Ground distribution to trunk chassis

Anything I'm overlooking here?

All my other wiring bases (interconnects/remote/etc.) are covered, so I'm all good there.

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:06 pm

small car?

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:37 pm

ttocs wrote:small car?

ya Thats what i was thinking. I'd grab 40 feet just to be sure and get 12 ft. for the ground points, i mean do you really want to chance comin up a tad short. I would avoid the OEM fuse and either add your own or just wire straight to the battery from the alt. i know some people insist there has to be a fuse between the alt. and battery but the guys at Mechman where i got my new H.O. unit told me i could wire straight to the battery and avoid the giant Maxi fuse my car has. i do not think he would have told me that If it was terribly risky, again it's your choice. my .02

JayGold · Post by **JayGold** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:47 pm

Stryker wrote:
ttocs wrote:small car?
ya Thats what i was thinking. I'd grab 40 feet just to be sure and get 12 ft. for the ground points, i mean do you really want to chance comin up a tad short. I would avoid the OEM fuse and either add your own or just wire straight to the battery from the alt. i know some people insist there has to be a fuse between the alt. and battery but the guys at Mechman where i got my new H.O. unit told me i could wire straight to the battery and avoid the giant Maxi fuse my car has. i do not think he would have told me that If it was terribly risky, again it's your choice. my .02

To both quotes above...

Yes, its a relatively small sedan, 2000 Subaru Impreza L.
I over-measured the length I require so I figured 25 feet, roughly about 11 feet for engine compartment and 14 feet to the trunk and my Ti distro before it gets split into (2) 4 awg to the MS amps.

I'll still require a new battery and H.O. alt after I get everything else laid out and installed before tuning real use.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:48 pm

ok i always over compensate on those sorta things.

JayGold · Post by **JayGold** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:59 pm

Over-compensating is what I always tend to do to.

The Subaru's overall length is 14 feet, so I believe I'm good adding in another 11 feet of wire.

tonym · Post by **tonym** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:04 pm

JayGold wrote:Continuing with this thread...

So I'm about to pull the trigger on the Knu Kolossus Fleks Kable 1/0 Red Power and they just happen to be out of stock

Yeah same here....

wanted the blue but will be going with the smoke black...will kinda match my outlaw install anyways...

JayGold · Post by **JayGold** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:29 pm

tonym wrote:
JayGold wrote:Continuing with this thread...

So I'm about to pull the trigger on the Knu Kolossus Fleks Kable 1/0 Red Power and they just happen to be out of stock
Yeah same here.... wanted the blue but will be going with the smoke black...will kinda match my outlaw install anyways...

I'd go with the blue and black combo but I already have red 4 awg and don't want to repurchase that too.

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:12 pm

I saw some audison 1/0 awg in a shop in Edmonton it was by far the most flexible 1/0 I have seen yet.

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:20 pm

gridracer wrote:I saw some audison 1/0 awg in a shop in Edmonton it was by far the most flexible 1/0 I have seen yet.

Got some in the local shop and I was just as impressed, it comes with quite a price tag though