need advise on best way to setup
need advise on best way to setup
hey ppl
i have at current a xenon 10" sub dual 4ohm running of a kenwood amp (600wrms)
but i have two of these subs and i am about to get around to putting the second one in. i have bought a PG octane-r 15.0:1 which sould have the juice to power the 2. but for the moment i want to just ues the 15.0:1 with the one xenon.
now i noticed the mono block has 2 sets of speaker in's... i read the manual and it said that they are both internally linked. my question is what is the best way to wire it all up?
any help or advise will be much apresiated.
and also for a lil down the track for when the second fibreglass box is made how would you go about wireing it up then?
cheers guys
P.S.
current setup looks like this atm PG amp for the front and rear splits and kenwood amp for sub.
and yes i know this is beofore i wired up the blue led on the sub hahhaha
i have at current a xenon 10" sub dual 4ohm running of a kenwood amp (600wrms)
but i have two of these subs and i am about to get around to putting the second one in. i have bought a PG octane-r 15.0:1 which sould have the juice to power the 2. but for the moment i want to just ues the 15.0:1 with the one xenon.
now i noticed the mono block has 2 sets of speaker in's... i read the manual and it said that they are both internally linked. my question is what is the best way to wire it all up?
any help or advise will be much apresiated.
and also for a lil down the track for when the second fibreglass box is made how would you go about wireing it up then?
cheers guys
P.S.
current setup looks like this atm PG amp for the front and rear splits and kenwood amp for sub.
and yes i know this is beofore i wired up the blue led on the sub hahhaha
Hmmm.... Unfortunately with two D4 woofers, you can only hook them up to a single 1 ohm or 4 ohm load. Since the 15.0:1 is optimized for 2 ohms, there is no way to ideally hook up two woofers. If you ran it at 4 ohms bridged, the amp would only put out half the power (500w), and if you ran it at 1 ohm, the amp would run extra hot.
Hooking it up to one sub will feed it 1000 watts at 2 ohms quite nicely. In my experience the Xenon woofers can take the additional power, as long as you are very careful setting the gains!
Hooking it up to one sub will feed it 1000 watts at 2 ohms quite nicely. In my experience the Xenon woofers can take the additional power, as long as you are very careful setting the gains!
hmm wait u lost me there... so why can i have one sub wired up at 2ohm but 2 has to be 1 or 4?stipud wrote:Hmmm.... Unfortunately with two D4 woofers, you can only hook them up to a single 1 ohm or 4 ohm load. Since the 15.0:1 is optimized for 2 ohms, there is no way to ideally hook up two woofers. If you ran it at 4 ohms bridged, the amp would only put out half the power (500w), and if you ran it at 1 ohm, the amp would run extra hot.
Hooking it up to one sub will feed it 1000 watts at 2 ohms quite nicely. In my experience the Xenon woofers can take the additional power, as long as you are very careful setting the gains!
also would it run hot with the gains turned down ?
cheers
and tsonka will do man but i am a lazy person so it wont be getting fibre glassed for some time to come yet ..
this sux's as when i bought them a yr ago i had the option of getting the dual 2ohms or the 4ohms and not knowing the diff went the 4 ohms man am i stupid
Alright, here's the gist of it.
Voicecoils can be hooked in either series or parallel.
Check out this wiring tutorial: http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/wiringtutorial.html
When you wire them in series, you basically multiply the impedance by the number of coils hooked up. So lets say you've got a dual 4 ohm subwoofer, and hook it up in series. We've got 4 ohms * 2, so an 8 ohm total load. Now if you've got two dual 4 ohm subwoofers, you have 4 ohms * 4, so 16 ohm total.
When you wire them in series, you divide by the number of coils. So a dual 4 ohm woofer wired in parallel makes a 4 ohm / 2 = 2 ohm load. Two dual 4 ohm woofers wired in parallel would give you 4 ohm / 4 = 1 ohm.
You can also mix series and parallel wiring. So let's say you have two dual 4 ohm woofers, and wire them individually in series, for two 8 ohm loads. Then you wire those two 8 ohm loads in parallel to make a 4 ohm load.
So... your wiring options with two woofers are 1 ohm, 4 ohm, or 16 ohm. Your options with one woofer are 2 ohm or 8 ohm.
Voicecoils can be hooked in either series or parallel.
Check out this wiring tutorial: http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/wiringtutorial.html
When you wire them in series, you basically multiply the impedance by the number of coils hooked up. So lets say you've got a dual 4 ohm subwoofer, and hook it up in series. We've got 4 ohms * 2, so an 8 ohm total load. Now if you've got two dual 4 ohm subwoofers, you have 4 ohms * 4, so 16 ohm total.
When you wire them in series, you divide by the number of coils. So a dual 4 ohm woofer wired in parallel makes a 4 ohm / 2 = 2 ohm load. Two dual 4 ohm woofers wired in parallel would give you 4 ohm / 4 = 1 ohm.
You can also mix series and parallel wiring. So let's say you have two dual 4 ohm woofers, and wire them individually in series, for two 8 ohm loads. Then you wire those two 8 ohm loads in parallel to make a 4 ohm load.
So... your wiring options with two woofers are 1 ohm, 4 ohm, or 16 ohm. Your options with one woofer are 2 ohm or 8 ohm.
hmmm so what are the risks of the 1ohm option?
like the amp wont keep droping in and out will it from overheating?
ow and in my pm you mentioned that i should be able to get a smooth 1000w at 1ohm with out issue if i play with the gain. do u mean have it turned down heaps?
cheers and sorry for being such a novice
like the amp wont keep droping in and out will it from overheating?
ow and in my pm you mentioned that i should be able to get a smooth 1000w at 1ohm with out issue if i play with the gain. do u mean have it turned down heaps?
cheers and sorry for being such a novice
hmmm thx well in the manual it stats that it shuts down when the internal heat sink hits 90degree.
the other octane amp i got runs REALLY cold...but its less watts and is at a 4ohm load atm so...
as i dont want to be pulling the maxx out of my system to have a hardcore set of bass notes come on and have my amp shut down mid sound if ya know what i mean
has anyone on hear EVER wired up on of these or simular octane mono block at 1ohm? how did it go?
they got no sun light in the boot and it always apears to be cool in there and there not inclosed by anythink see pics above so should i be right?
also what gauge wireing should i use for the subs?
also atm i am using 4gauge from the batery to the amps with a 140amp breaker, will this be good enough to run what i want?
cheers
the other octane amp i got runs REALLY cold...but its less watts and is at a 4ohm load atm so...
as i dont want to be pulling the maxx out of my system to have a hardcore set of bass notes come on and have my amp shut down mid sound if ya know what i mean
has anyone on hear EVER wired up on of these or simular octane mono block at 1ohm? how did it go?
they got no sun light in the boot and it always apears to be cool in there and there not inclosed by anythink see pics above so should i be right?
also what gauge wireing should i use for the subs?
also atm i am using 4gauge from the batery to the amps with a 140amp breaker, will this be good enough to run what i want?
cheers
So everybody knows my thinking here and so I won't get crucified for my comment. Also since skitz had PM'd for clarification---
Like any amp it can run virtually any load given the right conditions. The main issue is heat when it comes to running subs. If you run it hard/loud it is going to get hot and shut down. If you run a small power cable to it, it will get hotter due to voltage sag (lower voltage = higher current draw = heat).
Most people running amps at 1 ohm don't stop to think about what they are doing. If you keep in mind you may have heat issues and use good judgment as to how you are affecting your amp then you will be fine.
Like any amp it can run virtually any load given the right conditions. The main issue is heat when it comes to running subs. If you run it hard/loud it is going to get hot and shut down. If you run a small power cable to it, it will get hotter due to voltage sag (lower voltage = higher current draw = heat).
Most people running amps at 1 ohm don't stop to think about what they are doing. If you keep in mind you may have heat issues and use good judgment as to how you are affecting your amp then you will be fine.
I think we've established that "Ka Ka" and "Tukki Tukki" don't work.
cheers for that so one last thing man
just to get this straight
so if i go 0gauge from batery to a spliter spliting into 2X 4gauge 1 for each amp and if its in the above pictured location (where the curent kenwood amp is) will i have amp shutdowns when running the 2 xenons hard for long (30min) periods of time?
cheers
just to get this straight
so if i go 0gauge from batery to a spliter spliting into 2X 4gauge 1 for each amp and if its in the above pictured location (where the curent kenwood amp is) will i have amp shutdowns when running the 2 xenons hard for long (30min) periods of time?
cheers
huh? No it wont shut down, unless your amp is overheating.skitz wrote:cheers for that so one last thing man
just to get this straight
so if i go 0gauge from batery to a spliter spliting into 2X 4gauge 1 for each amp and if its in the above pictured location (where the curent kenwook amp is) will i have amp shutdowns when running the 2 xenons hard for long (30min) periods of time?
cheers
Can one send others to war if hes not willing to go himself?
I can not guarantee that it will or will not shut down. There are too many variables such as:
- Listening level
Ambient temperature
Charging system voltage
Music being played
Inconsistency's in the manufactured product being used
I think we've established that "Ka Ka" and "Tukki Tukki" don't work.
well guys i just thought i would randomly let you all know that i put the 15.0:1 is yesterday.... and at the same time cleaned up the wireing lol:P
it apears that when it was wired up it was done as a 8ohm and it was prob only getting less than half the rms it would like it was also useing 16ga wireing
but all that is fixed up now it is at a 2ohm load and it is running 10ga for the sub
and needless to say this new amp rocks its a lil louder but the quality is smick i love it i spent a good 1hr having a play with the settings etc and i have it just the way i like it
so now next step get another fibreglass box made up and put the second one in
when its all done i will put up pics in the install section
cheers for all ur advise guys this thread along with a few others have helped me heaps
P.S as a negitive though now i suffer from light blinkage looks like i may need a bigger batery or a cap around the time the second sub goes in as when it goes in i will up the 4ga to 0ga
it apears that when it was wired up it was done as a 8ohm and it was prob only getting less than half the rms it would like it was also useing 16ga wireing
but all that is fixed up now it is at a 2ohm load and it is running 10ga for the sub
and needless to say this new amp rocks its a lil louder but the quality is smick i love it i spent a good 1hr having a play with the settings etc and i have it just the way i like it
so now next step get another fibreglass box made up and put the second one in
when its all done i will put up pics in the install section
cheers for all ur advise guys this thread along with a few others have helped me heaps
P.S as a negitive though now i suffer from light blinkage looks like i may need a bigger batery or a cap around the time the second sub goes in as when it goes in i will up the 4ga to 0ga
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there are different quality level ...in terms of esr value,v rating and all,but i think as long as u stick to some reputable names u should be fine...
they do have a rule of thump for proper capacitance , and its 1 farad for every 1000w..
just wire the caps in parallel to the leads from ur battery and ground...
i've got mine in between the battery and the distribution fuse mounted in trunk........
the fuse then feeds my two amps....
check-out this write-up by errin...
http://phoenixphorum.com/proper-power-vt181.html
they do have a rule of thump for proper capacitance , and its 1 farad for every 1000w..
just wire the caps in parallel to the leads from ur battery and ground...
i've got mine in between the battery and the distribution fuse mounted in trunk........
the fuse then feeds my two amps....
check-out this write-up by errin...
http://phoenixphorum.com/proper-power-vt181.html
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