So what about in the lowest of octaves. Which would come out on top? Would the newer style still have more output in the 15~30hz range? what the heck do you listen to that has alot of 15hz range?remeber both are also only a 12" sub not a 15 or 18" This is for theater use. Not really music...

So what about in the lowest of octaves. Which would come out on top? Would the newer style still have more output in the 15~30hz range?

Anyone get a chance to compare the original Ti12d Elite against the new Elite.12d? Im curious to know if the new Elite.12d lives up to or surpasses the original. I have a BNIB pair of the original Ti12d Elite's I was going to use and now thinking of possibly going to the new Elite.12d for my install.

Loving the look of the Elite line. Wonder how the new Elite12 will compare to the OG Ti12D Elite.

They don't compete in the same market. Sundown is a boutique brand that cuts out the middle man so that "those in the know" can get a better deal on straight-from-the-source SPL gear. PG is a mainstream brick and mortar brand that targets a much wider audience, and has their own marketing...

interesting hypothetical... Oh, no wait sorry I had that backwards. Eric does alot of listening tests and is honest in his reports when doing a-b test so I am not sure what your point is. Its a hypothetical. In other words its a big "IF" and my point is IF we did a blind test and IF by ch...

To me, how many watts the amp produces is not the sole measure of an amp's value. This is my point as well. Its not just about how many watts it produces. But all things being equal (ie sound quality, build quality, power) but price which would provide the buyer greater value? Im not saying the PG ...

Eric D I have a simple hypothetical question to ask you. Since neither of us have heard both of these amps lets say I had both a Sundown Audio SAZ 1500D and a Phoenix Gold Ti 2500.1. Now lets say you were in my area and I did a blind listening test and swapped between the 2 amp without you knowing w...

I don't own a Lamborghini, so I can't say for certain, but I am pretty confident if I did own one, and there was an issue with it, I could take it back to the dealer I purchased it from and they would take care of me. I don't know where to buy Sundown amps (or many of these other amps mentioned in ...

Do you even know the amount of R&D Jacob at Sundown does before production of his amps? Do You? I do recall that he was a fairly active member here (or on SoundBuggy) for a very brief amount of time. This was just prior to Jacob starting up Sundown Audio and he was picking our brains for ideas ...

Yes good design to a point. Again still dont see the cost justification of the amp but that is just IMHO. As for looks I like plane and simple nothing fancy works for me. So a Sundown amp can work in almost any install and is simple to paint to help it blend in. I personally would have loved to use ...

I don't care so much that the other amps mentioned are made in Asia. What I do care about is they use a common off the shelf circuit board, with nothing original about them, and performance to match. If you do an A/B comparison between a generic board amp, and a PG for example, the difference will ...

will those amps last 10-20 yrs? will anyone want to keep them around for that long? The amps will last. Sundown has been proven to be very stout amps. As for lasting 10-20 years how many PG amps will work out of the box from 20 years ago without needing parts changed like caps? Shoot I have an old ...

I really hope I am not offending you (or anyone else for that matter), I just tend to get frustrated, as there always seems to be "new PG haters" with very limited talking points. Hating the new PG just for the sake of it, really makes little sense to me. In your specific case you say you...

Again I didnt say I dont like PG I said it was overpriced. And my statement was about their naming of the amp. I wouldnt have mentioned it if they actually named it Ti1650.1 or something instead of misleading people into thinking its a 2500watt amp when it obviously is no. Maybe your reading compreh...

Well, not to change the subject, but you have got me wondering an even greater question than anything else in this thread after this post... Why are you on the PG forum then, if you don't really care for PG? There is nothing magical about the old PG products. The real difference is only where they ...

I think some of you guys may be missing the fact that the PG is truly a "custom" design. Love it or hate it, the Ti2500 for example is a custom one of a kind amp made for PG, and PG only. You may find similar amps out there, but you won't find one with the same circuit, same board layout,...

Fine, I see your point. However, I have never heard of any of the companies the two of you mention. If you buy something from them (assuming you can even find a place which sells their stuff), what do you do in a year when they are out of business? I prefer to stick with companies which actually ha...

AudioQue AQ2200D 2200watts RMS @ 14.4v $389 new AudioQue AQ3500D.1 4300watts RMS @ 14.4v $749 new Crescendo Audio BC2000D 2000watts RMS @ 14.4v $300 new Crescendo Audio BC3500D 3500watts RMS @ 14.4v $580 new All of these amps will produce rated power no problem. They make more power then the PG TI25...

2500watts is dynamic not continuous RMS power rating. There was a review on it awhile ago where it barely did rated of 1650watts RMS. As for other amps in that power range there are a lot for that price if not cheaper :roll: From CarAudioMag: Power?!: As for the 2500 watts implied by the model numbe...

$750