I would really like to see for just once, someone say something positive concerning their political alignment.
I constantly hear people say they are going to vote Democrat because they hate Bush.
Why not change that a bit and state, “I will be voting Democrat because I believe gays have rights as well, and I know Democrats push for gay rights”?
Here is an example from me personally.
“I will be voting Republican again, as I believe strongly in capital punishment and would like to see rapists and murders executed in as painful a way as possible”.
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The irony that I am trying to point out to you is that your country was founded upon disagreeing with authority. Tibbs is probably doing the most American thing possible by disagreeing with his administration. You too have a right to disagree with him, because Freedom of Speech is a double edged sword.
Your error is that you are trying to get people to SHUT UP, and you are arguing against their right to complain, simply because they live healthy good lives. If people in your past didn't complain when they needed to, and silenced their complaints when they were told to, then you wouldn't be enjoying these same freedoms that you enjoy today.
Your error is that you are trying to get people to SHUT UP, and you are arguing against their right to complain, simply because they live healthy good lives. If people in your past didn't complain when they needed to, and silenced their complaints when they were told to, then you wouldn't be enjoying these same freedoms that you enjoy today.
Tom,stipud wrote:What's with the hostility guys? Is "SHUT THE FUCK UP" really necessary?
Eric, he backed down and agreed to disagree. What's with the cheap shot? You are better than that.
It's just we are sick of seeing posts stating how it’s all bush's fault!
It's just like hearing Konya west saying Bush hates black people over and over.
It gets old.......fast
If they really wanted to do something about it they would get involved beyond posting up anti - establishment garbage.
You are correct to a point.stipud wrote:The irony that I am trying to point out to you is that your country was founded upon disagreeing with authority. Tibbs is probably doing the most American thing possible by disagreeing with his administration. You too have a right to disagree with him, because Freedom of Speech is a double edged sword.
Your error is that you are trying to get people to SHUT UP, and you are arguing against their right to complain, simply because they live healthy good lives. If people in your past didn't complain when they needed to, and silenced their complaints when they were told to, then you wouldn't be enjoying these same freedoms that you enjoy today.
Our country was founded upon the idea of actually doing something about a problem, not sitting around chatting about it.
If our founding fathers disagreed with authority in the same manner as the negative individuals of today, we would never have left Britain and would never have accomplished anything.
Anyone who is not happy currently should go out and do something about it, just as Mastiff has stated. Either move to a better country, or join forces with those you agree with. Complaining about the situation on a somewhat unbiased public forum opens yourself up for debate.
I have no complaints with your argument James. I too believe that complaining on the internet about Bush is boring... it's been done to death, and unlike actual protesting, complaining on a car stereo forum really doesn't reach an interesting audience anyways. In that sense I am 100% in agreement with you that this effort would be better spent pursuing a more effective means of complaining, like writing a letter to your Congressman.Mastiff wrote:Tom,
It's just we are sick of seeing posts stating how it’s all bush's fault!
It's just like hearing Konya west saying Bush hates black people over and over.
It gets old.......fast
If they really wanted to do something about it they would get involved beyond posting up anti - establishment garbage.
However, you must keep in mind that this is a very prominent topic in current events. Every media outlet is either spinning pro or anti Bush/War/etc, and it is getting everyone polarized... so you honestly can't blame people for reacting to the media that is forcefed to them all day. Ignoring that would be like trying to ignore an Elephant in your living room. You can't ignore it, but you can choose to cope with it... and some ways are better than others.
I am only disagreeing with Eric's statements regarding not having a right to complain if you have good health. You ALWAYS have a right to complain, and taking that away would negate the fundamentals upon which America and many other countries were built.
Tom, I cannot disagree with you on that. You are correct, everyone does always have a right to complain.
But at which point to the complainers complain so much, everyone looses respect for them, and their voice is no longer effective, or even taken into consideration? Can they still complain? Yes. Will they still complain? Yes. Should they still complain? In my opinion, no.
Free speech is a right here in the USA, but when it is abused, it defeats the point for which it was originally made a right.
But at which point to the complainers complain so much, everyone looses respect for them, and their voice is no longer effective, or even taken into consideration? Can they still complain? Yes. Will they still complain? Yes. Should they still complain? In my opinion, no.
Free speech is a right here in the USA, but when it is abused, it defeats the point for which it was originally made a right.
This is what I believe as well.Eric D wrote:You are correct to a point.
Our country was founded upon the idea of actually doing something about a problem, not sitting around chatting about it.
If our founding fathers disagreed with authority in the same manner as the negative individuals of today, we would never have left Britain and would never have accomplished anything.
Anyone who is not happy currently should go out and do something about it, just as Mastiff has stated. Either move to a better country, or join forces with those you agree with. Complaining about the situation on a somewhat unbiased public forum opens yourself up for debate.
I think the main reason people resort to talking online is because it is easy. Picking up a pen and writing your Congressman takes effort. So does going to a protest. However, in today's society of fast food, special effects, and Paris Hilton, we would rather sit back and watch the Circus than take part in it. It's easy to sit back and watch, and you will either like or dislike what you see... and you are free to do so. The difference between real life and TV is that it takes a lot more effort to change the channel. Most people don't know that they can change the channel in the first place, and even if they can, they still need to figure out how, and STILL they don't have what it takes in themselves to do so.
Food for thought--
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke; you catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a Fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees Happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of Programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms just a little at a time.
One should always remember, "There is no such thing as a free Lunch!" Also, "You can never hire someone to provide a service for you Cheaper than you can do it yourself.
Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government "help" is a problem confronting the Future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!
I think we've established that "Ka Ka" and "Tukki Tukki" don't work.
Very well stated.stipud wrote:This is what I believe as well.Eric D wrote:You are correct to a point.
Our country was founded upon the idea of actually doing something about a problem, not sitting around chatting about it.
If our founding fathers disagreed with authority in the same manner as the negative individuals of today, we would never have left Britain and would never have accomplished anything.
Anyone who is not happy currently should go out and do something about it, just as Mastiff has stated. Either move to a better country, or join forces with those you agree with. Complaining about the situation on a somewhat unbiased public forum opens yourself up for debate.
I think the main reason people resort to talking online is because it is easy. Picking up a pen and writing your Congressman takes effort. So does going to a protest. However, in today's society of fast food, special effects, and Paris Hilton, we would rather sit back and watch the Circus than take part in it. It's easy to sit back and watch, and you will either like or dislike what you see... and you are free to do so. The difference between real life and TV is that it takes a lot more effort to change the channel. Most people don't know that they can change the channel in the first place, and even if they can, they still need to figure out how, and STILL they don't have what it takes in themselves to do so.
I agree that there comes a point when you should stop complaining and either give up or do something about it. Unfortunately not everyone sees that way... hell, even if things are going perfectly for someone, they will almost always find something to complain about. Thus is the nature of humanity. It cannot be undone.Eric D wrote:Tom, I cannot disagree with you on that. You are correct, everyone does always have a right to complain.
But at which point to the complainers complain so much, everyone looses respect for them, and their voice is no longer effective, or even taken into consideration? Can they still complain? Yes. Will they still complain? Yes. Should they still complain? In my opinion, no.
Free speech is a right here in the USA, but when it is abused, it defeats the point for which it was originally made a right.
But because people will ALWAYS be complaining, there is also no point in complaining that people should stop complaining, as that is just doing the same thing. So what we should ALL be doing right now is stop complaining. Not just complaining about Bush, but also complaining about complaining about Bush. And complaining about complaining about complaining about Bush... and so on and so forth.
Because really, this is just a car audio forum. We all came here because we wanted to talk about Cars and Audio, not Bush. This is why I really don't like having political debates here, because they don't really serve any political purpose. I have not once seen a person sway someone to the other side... all it ends up doing is polarizing us further, and making us hate each other for a reason that we didn't come here for in the first place.
Unfortunately every time I try to cool down a political thread, I also get bashed for trying to silence people's freedom of speech, so it's just a really dumb vicious cycle. I can't end these things myself... I need everyone here to come to an agreement that we should just avoid political threads.
I think a political thread in the lounge every now and then is a healthy idea, because this is the only hangout for a lot of us, and I think that everyone needs a place to vent. The day to day media coverage can get a bit overwhelming, and sometimes it just helps to get your thoughts out there, regardless of where it is.
This is why I also don't want to make a rule banning political threads from the forum. However, I think if a political thread DOES come up, instead of getting out the guns we should just roll our eyes and move on with some more interesting topics. If you choose to move on, then so will the thread poster, and the vent will function much better.
So from now on what I would like to see is "Oh boy another political thread
" instead of mudslinging. I think we would all be better off for doing so.Even though you will not do it, I see no problem in just deleting any political related threads which come up.
I don’t see it as limiting free speech, since this is a car audio forum, not the Democratic National Committee Blog.
Additionally, this is an international forum, and not everyone’s rules, regulations, or rights are the same. I would think that focusing on car audio alone would be within the rights of everyone.
I don’t see it as limiting free speech, since this is a car audio forum, not the Democratic National Committee Blog.
Additionally, this is an international forum, and not everyone’s rules, regulations, or rights are the same. I would think that focusing on car audio alone would be within the rights of everyone.
That is an avenue I have considered exploring every single time one of these threads comes up.
However I would rather not put up a rule saying that we can't have political threads, because this forum has always been very good at moderating itself. If I can convince everyone here to not post these threads, or to reply with a simple if it comes up, then there should be no need for a rule.
And I'm sure you of all people will agree with me when I say less rules and self government are good things
However I would rather not put up a rule saying that we can't have political threads, because this forum has always been very good at moderating itself. If I can convince everyone here to not post these threads, or to reply with a simple
if it comes up, then there should be no need for a rule.And I'm sure you of all people will agree with me when I say less rules and self government are good things
Ive been wrong its not bush's fault...it's chenney 
As for voting, I am not for the democrats to be honest, I will agree, I tend to sway to the left but the democrats party is awful right now. Hillary is out to lunch and simply since gaining to lead has been even more of a stuck up bitch. Then there clueless Rudy on the other side, who's done nothing besides prosecute the heads of the 5 family's in New York, and trying to ride 9/11 to the white house. Will one good candidate show himself or herself please.... well Ron Paul but he has zero chance of winning
As for voting, I am not for the democrats to be honest, I will agree, I tend to sway to the left but the democrats party is awful right now. Hillary is out to lunch and simply since gaining to lead has been even more of a stuck up bitch. Then there clueless Rudy on the other side, who's done nothing besides prosecute the heads of the 5 family's in New York, and trying to ride 9/11 to the white house. Will one good candidate show himself or herself please.... well Ron Paul but he has zero chance of winning
Can one send others to war if hes not willing to go himself?
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bdubs767 wrote:Ive been wrong its not bush's fault...it's chenney
As for voting, I am not for the democrats to be honest, I will agree, I tend to sway to the left but the democrats party is awful right now. Hillary is out to lunch and simply since gaining to lead has been even more of a stuck up bitch. Then there clueless Rudy on the other side, who's done nothing besides prosecute the heads of the 5 family's in New York, and trying to ride 9/11 to the white house. Will one good candidate show himself or herself please.... well Ron Paul but he has zero chance of winning
he is making huge gains though! he just raised 6million in one day to put him near the top in republican players.
even if he doesn't win this year, i think he can make enough impact to let people know they dont have to vote for 1 of 2 parties. he is still getting my vote.
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i've had tougher choices at a soda machine...
i've had tougher choices at a soda machine...
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Eric D wrote:Let’s try a simple little quiz…
Do you have a job?
Do you have a home?
Do you have food?
Do you have a vehicle (assuming you want one)?
Do you have all of your legs and arms, and do they work?
Are you cancer free?
Do you have someone waiting at home who loves you?
If you answered “Yes” to all of these questions, then SHUT THE FUCK UP, as you have nothing to bitch about. If you simply must bitch, then use your energy solving the above problems for those who are not so fortunate.
AMEN AMEN AMEN........when it comes to PG we pretty much agree cause we all love the goodness....
But when it comes to "the economy or Bush or Oil or Healthcare..etc .etc"
some people are only going to complain and never see things for what they are...
Yeah it sucks to pay more for gas than we want but yet 1 gallon of gas is still cheaper than 1 gallon of Milk...or say 1 gal of JACK DANIELS....
yet in most other parts of the world gas has always been more than we pay here....
I am a little tired of the fucking crybaby attitude with Americans when we all know we live in the greatest country on Earth and take it for granted.
If you hate it so much then leave...if you think you have the answer then do something about it...
But I tell you what the answer isnt...thats sitting there with your head in the ole ass and thinking that " a good conversation" is going to solve the hatred problems we have in the world against us...THIS AINT THE LAST SAMURAI!!!
AND....giving everyone free healthcare and raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is only going to fuck us all...
I am so tired of all these "free" handouts that arent free....and all the "Feel good" bullshit that is basically vote buying.....and power positioning.
get off your ass and go to work and stop lookin for free shit...stop teaching your kids that its OK if you dont want to get off your ass and take care of yourself...
I can go on and on and on.....
I really dont care what the link even said...I didnt get that far....I am just sick of the Bush thing....BUT I AM EVEN SICKER HEARING ALL THE BULLSHIT THAT THE LIBERALS WANT TO FORCE DOWN MY THROAT IF THEY GET IN...
IF YOU THINK SHIT IS BAD NOW YOU NEED TO GET READY FOR THE TAILSPIN IN THEY ELECT A LIBERAL....YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE
No offense to anyone but I am just sick of it...
stop crying..be thankful for what you have now or are able to have now...soon you may have to sell it all to pay your taxes increases of 5 trillion dollars to pay for baby bonds and healthcare for idiots who have 5 kids and arent even legal citizens...
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VW337 wrote:Food for thought--
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke; you catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a Fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees Happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of Programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms just a little at a time.
One should always remember, "There is no such thing as a free Lunch!" Also, "You can never hire someone to provide a service for you Cheaper than you can do it yourself.
Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government "help" is a problem confronting the Future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!
exactly....if you were to actually go to a communist country and talk to some of them they would call you an idiot .....and probably want to kick your ass...why? cause you have everything they dont and still want more yet dont appreciate what you have..
People hate Bush because he took the hard road and not the easy one and now our soldiers are dying in a war that they dont agree with...they would have rather done nothing about nothing as to stop being ignorant would require effort and Americans are some of the laziest people on the planet....
I am sorry to vent so much this morning....people need to realize whats actually going on here before its too late....
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gent you come to what you and many others seems as valid conclusions about qoute on qoute the people not getting off their asses but many of the premises are false that lead to your conclusion. You are jumping to conclusions with out analyzing the full extent of the problem. A book I suggest to you a great read The Unheavenly City (which takes about what to do with this poor of the poor class in chapter 10) , or another article done by the one of the Bishops in 1986 (which I was shocked was more of economic document then a document attempting to spread the catholic religion, I was quite impressed by it; of course it has some religoius implications but I hope people will give it a chance and read beyond it). Ill find the articles name...gentlejax2 wrote:Eric D wrote:Let’s try a simple little quiz…
Do you have a job?
Do you have a home?
Do you have food?
Do you have a vehicle (assuming you want one)?
Do you have all of your legs and arms, and do they work?
Are you cancer free?
Do you have someone waiting at home who loves you?
If you answered “Yes” to all of these questions, then SHUT THE FUCK UP, as you have nothing to bitch about. If you simply must bitch, then use your energy solving the above problems for those who are not so fortunate.
AMEN AMEN AMEN........when it comes to PG we pretty much agree cause we all love the goodness....
But when it comes to "the economy or Bush or Oil or Healthcare..etc .etc"
some people are only going to complain and never see things for what they are...
Yeah it sucks to pay more for gas than we want but yet 1 gallon of gas is still cheaper than 1 gallon of Milk...or say 1 gal of JACK DANIELS....
yet in most other parts of the world gas has always been more than we pay here....
I am a little tired of the fucking crybaby attitude with Americans when we all know we live in the greatest country on Earth and take it for granted.
If you hate it so much then leave...if you think you have the answer then do something about it...
But I tell you what the answer isnt...thats sitting there with your head in the ole ass and thinking that " a good conversation" is going to solve the hatred problems we have in the world against us...THIS AINT THE LAST SAMURAI!!!
AND....giving everyone free healthcare and raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is only going to fuck us all...
I am so tired of all these "free" handouts that arent free....and all the "Feel good" bullshit that is basically vote buying.....and power positioning.
get off your ass and go to work and stop lookin for free shit...stop teaching your kids that its OK if you dont want to get off your ass and take care of yourself...
I can go on and on and on.....
I really dont care what the link even said...I didnt get that far....I am just sick of the Bush thing....BUT I AM EVEN SICKER HEARING ALL THE BULLSHIT THAT THE LIBERALS WANT TO FORCE DOWN MY THROAT IF THEY GET IN...
IF YOU THINK SHIT IS BAD NOW YOU NEED TO GET READY FOR THE TAILSPIN IN THEY ELECT A LIBERAL....YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE
No offense to anyone but I am just sick of it...
stop crying..be thankful for what you have now or are able to have now...soon you may have to sell it all to pay your taxes increases of 5 trillion dollars to pay for baby bonds and healthcare for idiots who have 5 kids and arent even legal citizens...
Can one send others to war if hes not willing to go himself?
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Hey Dubs..dont have time to read that book but I am sure its got some interesting stuff in it..
whatever you think....the liberals prey upon the weak and the lazy in order to get into their heads that they can get or deserve something for free that they dont earn for whatever reasons..
I am not saying some people dont need help or cant help themselves...but this blank check philosophy doesnt make people who are dependent on others to better themselves.
We are all like this in our childhood but most of us here seem to have been taught enough along the way that you cant suck on the teet forever...so we grow up and attempt to make it on our own...
Too many people want to stay on the government teet or the rich mans teet or whatever teet they can find..
I live in Louisiana....I have said this before....I know what kinds of people the liberals go after...half the state is filled with people who like it that way..free free .....government owes me something for nothing...
I mean...if you doubt I live in a retarded state then ask yourself "why didnt those people get out or why didnt the city government get out when Rita and Katrina were flooding N.O.?"
because quite a few idiots....some of them had good reason but it was a general failure on the local level....it wasnt the governments job...
but quite a few could have done better job at getting out...
you saw how fast they turned the SUperdome into a Superghetto?
anyhow....
as long as there are people who dont want to do for themselves , then the liberals are always going to use them and make promises to get their votes so they can stay in power...
only way they can keep any promises is to get more money out of the people who actually earn it...there's your Trillions of dollars in taxes that will hit the fan day one if a liberal gets in..
of course thats just what my little mind is telling me
whatever you think....the liberals prey upon the weak and the lazy in order to get into their heads that they can get or deserve something for free that they dont earn for whatever reasons..
I am not saying some people dont need help or cant help themselves...but this blank check philosophy doesnt make people who are dependent on others to better themselves.
We are all like this in our childhood but most of us here seem to have been taught enough along the way that you cant suck on the teet forever...so we grow up and attempt to make it on our own...
Too many people want to stay on the government teet or the rich mans teet or whatever teet they can find..
I live in Louisiana....I have said this before....I know what kinds of people the liberals go after...half the state is filled with people who like it that way..free free .....government owes me something for nothing...
I mean...if you doubt I live in a retarded state then ask yourself "why didnt those people get out or why didnt the city government get out when Rita and Katrina were flooding N.O.?"
because quite a few idiots....some of them had good reason but it was a general failure on the local level....it wasnt the governments job...
but quite a few could have done better job at getting out...
you saw how fast they turned the SUperdome into a Superghetto?
anyhow....
as long as there are people who dont want to do for themselves , then the liberals are always going to use them and make promises to get their votes so they can stay in power...
only way they can keep any promises is to get more money out of the people who actually earn it...there's your Trillions of dollars in taxes that will hit the fan day one if a liberal gets in..
of course thats just what my little mind is telling me
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Except the liberals aren't in power in America and America has no real liberals anymore anyways. It's cons and neocons. Even Canada's supposed "right wing" Prime Minister of the Conservative Party of Canada is vastly more liberal than the wide majority of the Dems (although, he's trying) and our society isn't breaking down under the weight of the lazy. We have our own set of unique problems but the fact that we are a liberal society has not destroyed us from within. We have those who abuse the system, most certainly, but it's not killing the system.then the liberals are always going to use them and make promises to get their votes so they can stay in power...
America tends to have this idea that what works or doesn't work in America should equally apply to the rest of the world. It does not necessarily.
Liberalism has tried, risen and fallen in America and now it's taking the Neocon wave for a test drive. Eventually that will change, too.
"It's all just a little bit of history repeating".
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I dont care what you call it..or them...today its all about power and not at all about the people.Except the liberals aren't in power in America and America has no real liberals anymore anyways. .
I dont know where you live but its definitely not here where I live...my state is last in damn near everything and near 1st in homicide rate.
I might be the smartest man in Louisiana...haha...just kidding
I am not in a fould mood this morning and I am going to ignore this thread.
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the more i look into this guy the more i fucking think he may be the solution.
the more i look into this guy the more i fucking think he may be the solution.
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