Phoenix Gold Phorum

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To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in Downtown Savannah night before last.
Date: 2009-12-17, 3:43AM EST

I was the guy with the black Burberry jacket that you demanded I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings.

I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that
evening,and it wasn't that cold outside.

You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh?

It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. I
couldn't have you calling up any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again.

I took the liberty of calling your mother, or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself and four other people in the gas station this morning a tank full of gas on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful! I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet.

I threw the wallet in a fancy pink "pimp mobile" parked at the curb after I broke the windshield and side window out and keyed the drivers side. I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Ma Bell just shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service.

I could only get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI with it. The FBI guy
was really pissed and we had a long chat (I guess while he traced the number).

I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky ....

- Alex


P.S. Remember this motto...... an armed society is a polite society!

P.S. Remember this motto...... an armed society is a polite society!

O RLY?

yeah not sure i go along wholeheartedly with that there-

I do.

Um, Switzerland? Thems some rude asses, not.

Remember an unarmed society is one that Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, and all the other commies cherish. Makes throwing your ass in the oven so much easier when you voluntarily give up the only thing that keeps you on equal ground with the government. If every Jewish family had one Mauser rifle and 5 rounds of ammunition- and the will to use it (that is key), there would have been no 3rd Reich and no Holocaust.

yeah these are some good points, and i do agree with them
BUT i also believe in some restrictions/limits to being able to bear arms...
I.e. not just any'ole body having the right to bear arms, like if you have had psychiatric history or criminal history of robbing banks and shit. or maybe i am missing something here

BUT for the most part i am a firm believer supporter of the right to bare arms
w/ proper background checks- NOT LIKE HERE IN VERMONT- NO BACKGROUND CHECKS....BUT FUNNY THING IS we had the lowest number of homicides in the union and we have the most laxed regulations of buying arms. Go to flea market here in VT, and every other table is someone peddling their arms/goods. wanna gun a .22- 50$ no question/inquiry

so theres something to that maybe i dunno interesting though

Awesome, another gun nut revenge fantasy post

These people sit at home all day, dreaming up ways that they can be "heroic" with their guns. Then they post their made up stories to public places like Craigslist so that all the gun nuts can slap eachother on the backs and say YEAH BUDDY. HOOAH!!

Personally I find this completely contradictory. Would a polite society be so heavily engaged in revenge fantasies? Would they endorse the theft and humiliation of a would-be thief? Did he deserve it? Do two wrongs make a right? If you're truly trying to convince people, other than gun nuts, then you're clearly taking the wrong approach. Revenge fantasies like this only appeal to other gun nuts, and only polarizes people who would otherwise be on the fence about it.

Personally if I put myself in the shoes of the "victim" here, I would be absolutely mortified from having to use my gun to defend myself. I mean that must be the most incredibly scary thing anyone would have to do? But instead these fantasy posts just glorify the whole situation, dehumanizes the thief and the "victim", and takes all the respect out of the situation.

That's basically my beef with the pro gun crowd right there. I think guns are fucking awesome on their own, I just think the message is being pushed by the wrong crowd. For example, what makes the Swiss system different is that I believe they DO understand the fear and respect that their guns deserve. They know the implications of weapon ownership and self defense, and why you do and do not use guns. They are trained in the military by professionals, not in gun clubs by wannabe "heroes". Their society is structured around a completely different respect and overall notion of guns than yours is.

I would love to own a gun for plinking or hunting, but I may one day need to use it for self defense. Do I want to imagine myself in that position, getting off on making the hypothetical thief my bitch? Or do I fear the day I have to even THINK about holding a gun up to another persons head?

I think this story is made up. Besides, what if the guy doing the mugging had a gun? The story would not go as it had.

But I do completely agree with the motto, "an armed society is a polite society".

People can and do use guns to defend themselves in USA. Should those folks just "be mortified" curl up and let the criminal have their way?

I disagree with one basic premise: When a person attempts to take your life or liberty they have given up all claims to their own life and liberty. At that point they are nothing more than an animal, a rabid, dangerous animal. Why all the sympathy for someone who would snuf you out in a blink? You don't want to "dehumanize" them. From 6 feet under? This is a suicidal mindset, that a criminal has any right whatsoever to do what they do.

In a society that hasn't and will never ban weapons, I find it interesting that while legal to own and under the right circumstances legally conceal and carry a weapon, the "victim" could ever be in the wrong for drawing said weapon while being threatened with bodily harm or even death.

Having drawn my own "home protection device" on an intruder and been legally sued by that intruder for "emotional distress" - apparently drawing a 12-gauge shotgun on someone (that kicked in your back door and went STRAIGHT to my childs room) while butt-naked is grounds for a law suit.

The cop that showed up at the house to take the "thief" told me - and I quote - "Off the record, you should have shot him with that thing, he'll be back"

The lawsuit was eventually thrown out, but not after costing me a couple thousand in lawyers fees to defend myself, for defending myself and my family - and having my 6yr old see the inside of a courtroom and speak with a judge. Since my son still remembers the event and I am sure will never forget it, I am certain I did the right thing by not creating a GIANT hole in the thief... had my son not been there, it would have ended differently, and cost me less.

As for the thief, the cop was right, he would be back... but not into my house. He was killed on his way out of someone elses house - after serving just a couple of months.

I do, to an extent, believe that in a society that does not/will not ban guns, it makes no sense at all for only the bad guys to have them. The things that keep normal people from doing horrific things arent the same as the unspooled douche-nozzles that commit the crimes. What stops the majority of those people from doing the horrific things is the knowledge that the person they are going to victimize poses a real and viable threat.

Dont believe me? - its easy to see...

Your car has an alarm, the car next to you doesnt - rather than hit your car and take the chance, a thief would rather hit the car thats unprotected... happens every day.

Either no one has guns or everone has them - personally, I prefer a life without them, I dislike guns wholly and holding one for something other than target practice makes me nearly ill ... but where I live, thats not an option. Thugs can get guns for $50.00 - I have to pay $500.00 - but when my back door breaks open again, that thief better have the resolve to die for my TV like I have the resolve to die to protect my kids and wife.

See, that is the kind of story that paints the real picture of it, for me. Not this lame fantasy BS, but real stories that show the sad truth beneath it all. Pulling out a weapon in defense is a dark time that should be mourned, not celebrated.

stipud wrote:See, that is the kind of story that paints the real picture of it, for me. Not this lame fantasy BS, but real stories that show the sad truth beneath it all. Pulling out a weapon in defense is a dark time that should be mourned, not celebrated.

Said like a true Canadian

OldSchoolFool wrote:People can and do use guns to defend themselves in USA. Should those folks just "be mortified" curl up and let the criminal have their way?

I disagree with one basic premise: When a person attempts to take your life or liberty they have given up all claims to their own life and liberty. At that point they are nothing more than an animal, a rabid, dangerous animal. Why all the sympathy for someone who would snuf you out in a blink? You don't want to "dehumanize" them. From 6 feet under? This is a suicidal mindset, that a criminal has any right whatsoever to do what they do.

i agree with you. as for the kimber 1911 they are nice here is mine.

I am Canadian , but I still enjoy the power of a nice pistol in my mitts

A couple of my friends are big gun enthusiasts. I got no problem with that

A properly handled gun is as harmless as properly handled knife. It's the other side of the hand holding either that's the problem.

When I see footage of large cities in America where the windows in your own home needs to barred with steel barricades, I feel sympathy. I never lock my house.

If you need my stuff that bad, then come get it. If you take or harm the stuff I cherish, then I will find you and introduce you to Mr. Sherwood. He is far more personal and painful than a round from any firearm. Trust me.

Gun control is impossible. It only penalizes law abiding owners and can never, ever be constructive. Our Federal idiots (Liberals at the time) dropped over $1,000,000,00.00 (yes one billion) of my tax dollars on a registry that is absolutely useless. The only weapons registered on it are from those citizens who are stable and respectful gun owners. Assinine.

HH

HoseHead wrote:
Gun control is impossible. It only penalizes law abiding owners and can never, ever be constructive. Our Federal idiots (Liberals at the time) dropped over $1,000,000,00.00 (yes one billion) of my tax dollars on a registry that is absolutely useless. The only weapons registered on it are from those citizens who are stable and respectful gun owners. Assinine.

HH

I couldn't have said it any better. A majority of the guns used by criminals are not purchased legally. Enact gun control and watch how many criminals it prevents from obtaining firearms. The only thing you are doing is taking away guns from those that acquire them through legal means. Look at prohibition.

dwnrodeo wrote:

HoseHead wrote:
Gun control is impossible. It only penalizes law abiding owners and can never, ever be constructive. Our Federal idiots (Liberals at the time) dropped over $1,000,000,00.00 (yes one billion) of my tax dollars on a registry that is absolutely useless. The only weapons registered on it are from those citizens who are stable and respectful gun owners. Assinine.

HH

I couldn't have said it any better. A majority of the guns used by criminals are not purchased legally. Enact gun control and watch how many criminals it prevents from obtaining firearms. The only thing you are doing is taking away guns from those that acquire them through legal means. Look at prohibition.

You got that right. It is just like "pistol free zones" in states like mine where licensed folks can carry concealed. Since when do criminals follow the rules. Pistol free zones are just a politely named target rich environment for the perps.

Don't get me wrong, please. I'm not a gun nut or anything and was taught the proper handling of a firearm well before getting my first nut hairs. I do not own a gun (no requirement as I don't hunt or target shoot). I respect them without compromise. I also appreciate them as a tool, be it public safety, military and even farming or as a recreation outlet with skeeting or target shooting. Guns will always be out there.

In Canada, what is required is enforcment of the law for weapons offences. You use a firearm in the commission of a crime, you do time. Period. No pleas, no deals ... your ass is slammed. To further, we need to make prison uncomfortable. Many of the scumbags in jail have a better life inside than they had outside. There is no deterant.

Our military stockade (in Edmonton BTW) is rarely if ever visited by the same offender twice. It's hard time. No TV. No smokes. No pool. No internet. No time off. No nothing but your bunk. You wake, you eat, you work, you eat, you work, you eat, you work, you sleep. Rinse and repeat. One visit gets the message through to even the dumbest, stunned fucks around. Being physically uncomfortable triggers conformance. It's only human.

Preach on HoseHead. We need the some real enforcement and appropriate punishment here in the states as well. What ever happened to consequences for your actions in this world?

oldschoolfan wrote:Preach on HoseHead. We need the some real enforcement and appropriate punishment here in the states as well. What ever happened to consequences for your actions in this world?

Hippies.

Punks.
Get off my lawn or I'll get me Sherwood.
Your Momma will find you all curled up in the fetal position, crying like a little schoolgirl, snot bubbles and everything.

HH

Alright I am bored at work today, so lets get into this a bit... *rolls up sleeves*

If you just punish people for crimes without ever asking why they were driven to commit them in the first place, the problem will only resurface over and over again. It's like trying to cut down a weed, but leaving the roots, and then wondering why the thing keeps popping back up.

Let's take that Switzerland and guns example. Since the Swiss are heavily armed, and they have less crime, then an armed society is clearly the solution to crime! What works for Switzerland must work for the US, right? In that case we can extend the same logic to other major ideals of Swiss society, like social welfare, universal healthcare, and the great big boogeyman of "SOCIALISM"? If you want to target the root of the problem, these seem to be much more effective IMO.

I disagree with the notion that criminals are just "nothing more than an animal, a rabid, dangerous animal". They are people, who may either be down on their luck, not born into privelege, or have some unaddressed mental health issues. Sure there some absolute sociopathic mental cases that fit into this "rabid animal" mould, who would kill you with a hammer just to see what your brains look like, but they are not the norm. Anyone who believes otherwise has been watching too much TV. Those ruthless murderers make great news stories and scare you into thinking that all the people in prison are like that, when in reality they are the 1% rare case.

There are many reasons why otherwise decent people are turned to crime. Poverty and financial disparity is probably the biggest one. "In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth." Society takes a giant shit on poor people by saying they should just "GET A JOB", without actually offering them anything other than a night shift at McDonalds, despite having a family to feed, rent to pay, etc. These people work their asses off at crappy jobs that nobody wants, and can barely make ends meet. They can't afford health care, they can't afford decent housing in a safe neighbourhood like you can, etc. etc. So when it seems like all of society is against you, crime probably doesn't seem like a bad idea anymore.

Then there's the issue of the "Prison Nation". "More than 1 in 100 American adults are currently in prison or jail. One in every 31 adults (7.3 million) is in prison, or on parole or probation. One out every 45 whites is under some form of correctional control, and one out of every 11 blacks. 1 in 18 men and 1 in 89 women (races combined). Spending on corrections has risen by 400% in the last 20 years. As such, the prison population has exploded in recent decades, even though violent crime and property crime has been declining." Add on the mountain of allegations of torture and prison rape, and how that affects people. Then there's the issue of poor people who only committed minor offenses being thrown in cells with crime syndicates and being recruited, let alone the people who were completely innocent and wrongfully accused! And the fact that, once you go to prison, your professional life is basically over? There is little chance of rehabilitation in your system.

Then there are all the people touched by the prison system... families and children of prisoners. Children's lives are being destroyed by the fact that they have a parent in prison. Families are broken apart, and you have a generational cycle where someone's parents are in prison, which has repercussions on their livelihood. And the effects even extend to the communities, which become completely unstable when so many men and women are in prison. If you compare with poorer neighbourhoods, there is a huge disparity in the percentage of the population in prison.

So how do you fix such a broken system? IMO more emphasis on education and rehabilitation, and shorter prison sentences in order to prevent people from becoming too detached from the outside world. At least decriminalization for marijuana, to keep harmless drug users away from the real crooks. But it will never happen, because you can't convince society that killing a murderer or rapist isn't the best course of action, and that we would be safer in the long run if they were instead rehabilitated into people that don't break the law.

I have had a few gun safety classes back when I was growing up in the boy scouts and even took a rotc class in college where we got to shoot and take apart everything from an m-14 to an m60. I can see the enjoyment in shooting and understand why people like it from target shooting to hunting although it is just not my thing. My only problem really is with fully automatic weapon, are you hunting squirrel in the back yard with that? I know it is fun as I loved shooting the M-16 and M-60 in full auto mode in that class but I would also imagine C4 and dynamite is fun as well, hell a rocket launcher would be a hoot but again I just think it is all too much. I could see having a few ranges were you could rent them to shoot if you wanted to experience it but again I do not think these weapons have any use in the civilian population...

stipud wrote:Alright I am bored at work today, so lets get into this a bit... *rolls up sleeves*

If you just punish people for crimes without ever asking why they were driven to commit them in the first place, the problem will only resurface over and over again. It's like trying to cut down a weed, but leaving the roots, and then wondering why the thing keeps popping back up.

Let's take that Switzerland and guns example. Since the Swiss are heavily armed, and they have less crime, then an armed society is clearly the solution to crime! What works for Switzerland must work for the US, right? In that case we can extend the same logic to other major ideals of Swiss society, like social welfare, universal healthcare, and the great big boogeyman of "SOCIALISM"? If you want to target the root of the problem, these seem to be much more effective IMO.

I disagree with the notion that criminals are just "nothing more than an animal, a rabid, dangerous animal". They are people, who may either be down on their luck, not born into privelege, or have some unaddressed mental health issues. Sure there some absolute sociopathic mental cases that fit into this "rabid animal" mould, who would kill you with a hammer just to see what your brains look like, but they are not the norm. Anyone who believes otherwise has been watching too much TV. Those ruthless murderers make great news stories and scare you into thinking that all the people in prison are like that, when in reality they are the 1% rare case.

There are many reasons why otherwise decent people are turned to crime. Poverty and financial disparity is probably the biggest one. "In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth." Society takes a giant shit on poor people by saying they should just "GET A JOB", without actually offering them anything other than a night shift at McDonalds, despite having a family to feed, rent to pay, etc. These people work their asses off at crappy jobs that nobody wants, and can barely make ends meet. They can't afford health care, they can't afford decent housing in a safe neighbourhood like you can, etc. etc. So when it seems like all of society is against you, crime probably doesn't seem like a bad idea anymore.

Then there's the issue of the "Prison Nation". "More than 1 in 100 American adults are currently in prison or jail. One in every 31 adults (7.3 million) is in prison, or on parole or probation. One out every 45 whites is under some form of correctional control, and one out of every 11 blacks. 1 in 18 men and 1 in 89 women (races combined). Spending on corrections has risen by 400% in the last 20 years. As such, the prison population has exploded in recent decades, even though violent crime and property crime has been declining." Add on the mountain of allegations of torture and prison rape, and how that affects people. Then there's the issue of poor people who only committed minor offenses being thrown in cells with crime syndicates and being recruited, let alone the people who were completely innocent and wrongfully accused! And the fact that, once you go to prison, your professional life is basically over? There is little chance of rehabilitation in your system.

Then there are all the people touched by the prison system... families and children of prisoners. Children's lives are being destroyed by the fact that they have a parent in prison. Families are broken apart, and you have a generational cycle where someone's parents are in prison, which has repercussions on their livelihood. And the effects even extend to the communities, which become completely unstable when so many men and women are in prison. If you compare with poorer neighbourhoods, there is a huge disparity in the percentage of the population in prison.

So how do you fix such a broken system? IMO more emphasis on education and rehabilitation, and shorter prison sentences in order to prevent people from becoming too detached from the outside world. At least decriminalization for marijuana, to keep harmless drug users away from the real crooks. But it will never happen, because you can't convince society that killing a murderer or rapist isn't the best course of action, and that we would be safer in the long run if they were instead rehabilitated into people that don't break the law.

As the executives of GM told me once - too many words, not enough pictures. (actual quote during a meeting in GM Headquarters, Detroit)