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Options?? So far the Audi A3 TDI is the front runner, but that is only rumored to be an AWD for 2011. Are there any other options? I would look at a hybrid, but I think that for the long drive a diesel would be better. And as far as the AWD goes I would feel a hell of a lot more comfortable letting the wife take the car in the winter if it was AWD. The Saturn is going down hill and I'm not sure how long it's going to last.

why does it have to be diesel and awd?


in America...diesel awd cars that arent vw's...are called trucks...

Touareg?

Jeep Liberty CRD?

Hopefully VAG can get that Audi stateside for 2011.

Something burly?

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Bfowler wrote:why does it have to be diesel and awd?


in America...diesel awd cars that arent vw's...are called trucks...

Diesel for the power and gas mileage and AWD for the wife driving in the winter. The Saturn gets 37 mpg's (still), but it's worthless in the winter. I would like to stay at close to the same gas mileage, but with AWD.

And a truck is out of the running. We have the FJ so the wife wants a "car". And since I own a Toyota, a Jeep is out of the question.

Grab a Suby... AWD and great milage... Not 37mpg...

I don't see the AWD listed on their site.... TDI FWD only....

Subaru. Should get good MPG maybe not 37, but still lower 30's, and has AWD... basically any of them

FuzzyHoNutz wrote:Grab a Suby... AWD and great milage... Not 37mpg...

I don't see the AWD listed on their site.... TDI FWD only....

Beat me to it! All Subaru's are AWD now, they don't make a FWD car anymore that I am aware of (could be wrong), so that would be why it's not listed...

they are all awd but do they do diesel?

Well, the only reason he wanted diesel was for gas mileage, but that's really not needed with them...

But yes they do. The Forester was released in a diesel version, but of course not for the US So ya, maybe soon we will get the diesel version?

Remember, we Americans think that diesel is gross, that's why we don't get diesel cars Stupid car manufactures. They know the market best!

Well, after crunching the numbers (finally) between the Audi A3 TDI AWD, and the Toyota Matriz AWD that we were originally looking at it will take approximately 10.5 years to pay off the difference between the two vehicles in gas mileage. That's a little too long for me.

Mix in the fact that the Toyota will be cheaper to insure and service I'm now leaning towards the Matrix pretty heavily.

Damn numbers always getting in the way!

Don-
I know Suby's don't come FWD any more.... I was refering to the TDI as the FWD......

Tibbs-
If you have ever made money buying and driving a car then I want proof!!!!! Cars are the biggest hole for yer hard earned cash.... Oil changes, tune-ups, brake jobs, car washes ect ect....and forget the trade-in value.... I say buy a car that fits yer budget and that you like to drive. Sounds like there will be alot of that.....

not sure if vw has awd but the jetta diesel is on top as far as small diesels go it has turbo and 45+mpg and you can hardly hear it run not many diesels that are as quite.

The Golden One wrote:not sure if vw has awd but the jetta diesel is on top as far as small diesels go it has turbo and 45+mpg and you can hardly hear it run not many diesels that are as quite.

VW has 4Motion and Audi has Quattro, both are AWD. I am after a AWD first and a diesel second, but it looks like there is just not the demand for both together here in the states. It's a shame, it looks to be a kick ass combo!

yea awd would be good my mercedes 300d turbo diesel can get stuck on flat ground and in the snow and ice last year my back tire was spining for five miles straight my hands were clinched tight on the wheel the whole time.

My take on it...

If you want AWD, go with either Audi or Subaru as all other company's AWD technology in this class is inferior.

The real world results as I have had both company's vehicles:

#1 winner is Subaru:
Pros- most bang for the $$$ in it's class, turbo power and great differential choices make it an unbelievable all-year-round vehicle, very fun to drive and handle superbly, turbo models easily upgraded to make +350 awhp, unique exterior designs, great interiors and materials used, decent gas mileage, great resale value and sought after by buyers, and best of all they are easy to service and moderately priced to repair...which will be rare if ever.

Cons- decent gas mileage, some models heavy=brakes replaced more often.

#2 Audi A3, A4:
Pros- top of the line materials used inside and out, quiet ride, fit and finish is excellent, ride quality is soft yet responsive, engine choices a plus.

Cons- hand over your monthly income for any service and/or repairs, heavy=brakes go bye bye quick, initial buy in is much greater, competitive models engine sizes to power are average, gas mileage on non-TDI are average, advanced or expert experience needed to repair/service vehicle on own, over-engineered...everything is a puzzle to remove/replace, glove box latch design is a FAIL, modifying vehicle is very pricey, lacks overall driving fun factor.

don't you have a TDI impreza and Forester in the US? We do....

Bret

bretti_kivi wrote:don't you have a TDI impreza and Forester in the US? We do....

Bret

nope, quite sad actually.

and legacys... they're extremely popular. Boxer Diesel works well. Diesels are now over 40% of the new registrations in Germany.

I won't talk about A3 Sportback 2.0 TDI Quattros either, then

Bret

bretti_kivi wrote:and legacys... they're extremely popular. Boxer Diesel works well. Diesels are now over 40% of the new registrations in Germany.

I won't talk about A3 Sportback 2.0 TDI Quattros either, then

Bret

Yeah, like I'm finding out, a diesel AWD car here in the US is pretty damn had to come by.

Well, the wife Hydro locked the Saturn on Thursday (longish story) forcing our hand on the whole new car thing. We now own a......





































Toyota RAV4! 2007, Black, and here is the add for it. And no, I did not pay that much. After driving it around today some more I am pretty damn happy. We got the V6 instead of the 4 cyl because the gas mileage (on paper) is pretty damn close. For what I paid and it being a Certified used Toyota I feel pretty good about this. It's still AWD and the wife will drive it 90% of the time. Not too shabby.