Outlaw configuration question

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:46 pm

If one wanted to use the M100 side for fronts, and M50 side for subs, and use the LPL, it looks like you would be forced to use the built-in crossover. If you bypass the crossover, you have to use the "aux" inputs for the M50 side and thus lose the ability to use the LPL on that side. If you select the internal crossover and select the option to send the LP to the M50, the LPL controls the LP output of the crossover and you can do this, right? But then you have to use the internal crossover.

Not that the internal crossover is bad...I was just hoping to be able to use my 8053 for this....it is much more flexible.

I do not know if I am getting an Outlaw yet, but would it not be sweet?

knightrider358 · Post by **knightrider358** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:57 pm

If Im correct you can use both, what will happen is where both have the same xover points u will jus go 2/3 of an octave up instead of 1/3 in that area, say both have a 50hz boost if u used one itll be a wider slope than a narrow so if that happened ur 55hz and 45hz would be more effected by the wider 1/3 octave slope but if u used both than ur slope would be narrower and only say 52hz and 48hz would be effected.

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:42 pm

I think I understand what you are saying....maybe. Basically, I would want to run 2 inputs into the amp. One for the subs and one for the fronts....

...But I want to be able to use the LPL....which in order to do so I would have to use the internal crossover and send LP to the M50 side....which in order to do that, I could not use the M50 input from the HU.

I guess I could just not use the LPL and use my HU's sub level control....it just is a bit less convenient to use. A couple of presses of the knob really is all....but the LPL is just easier.

Post by **Bfowler** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:24 am

so whats the advantage of using the 8053....you say its more flexable...but how much flexability do you need for your sub section?

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:14 am

Well its not necessarily about using the 8053's xovers. It is more about being able to use the M50 side for the sub AND being able to use the LPL for that side. That cannot be done without using only the crossovers in the amp.....the xovers in the 8053 have adjustable slopes....I guess that is basically the only advantage...other than knowing exactly what freq. I am at....rather than somewhere between 30-200 or whatever the knob goes to.

Its alright....I probably will not end up with an Outlaw anyway. Not any time soon.

knightrider358 · Post by **knightrider358** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:51 am

just always remember simpler is always better for control over a system and better for sq, but also you should only need xover points you shouldnt need anything else (other controlling) if you have the right power example your low pass should be set around 20-150 and your midbass 150-300 only id you have dedicated drivers and then midrange 300-3khz if no midbass then set at 150-3khz and then ur highpass at 3khz to 35khz note if you can then use a sub-sonic filter set at 20 cause itll be wasted energy you wont hear same as goes for a highpass cutoff at 35khx you wouldnt hear that as well now the reason Im explaining all of this is because these should only be your only controls you should want unless you have a 15band eq or higher band for cutting/boosting purposes anything else doesnt give you a tight slope they are always wider. and if you have the right amount of power going to your doors and sub (outlaw should be plenty) you wont need any other controls except xover points

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:19 am

I am going for the simplest setup I can. I was just drooling over some old PG LE amps, and had some thoughts about using the Outlaw. All I was hoping to accomplish was what I mentioned....and it cannot be done without using the crossovers in the amp. At least according to the manual (which is not very well written IMHO).

The only complaint I had on the built-in crossovers, was that there is no easy way to know exactly what frequency you have them set at. I have used an M44 before with the same issue....I got them set by ear easy enough, but it is just nice to know.....you know? My Eclipse has all that and time alignment and 10 band parametric EQ....and I used all that too in the last system.

Thanks for all the input everyone.

dgoodhue · Post by **dgoodhue** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:15 am

You can't use the LPL with the M50. The LPL circuitry is in the M100 side, the M50 doesn't have it. (M50's don't have internal crossovers) You can use the M50 as a Low Pass as it can be configured to use the aux input from the M100.

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:55 am

get a bass cube...run the m50 side with that

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:34 pm

dgoodhue, yeah you are right...mostly...according to the manual, there is the switch on the Outlaw that lets you send the LP to the M50 side. It also mentions that the LPL follows the LP from the internal crossover. That leads me to believe that if you send the LP to the M50 side, the LPL will control it. Because why would you want the LPL to attenuate your highs if you powered them with the M100 side? Makes sense to me, but it is not covered as clearly as it should be in the manual.

dgoodhue · Post by **dgoodhue** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:38 am

Audiophiliac wrote:dgoodhue, yeah you are right...mostly...according to the manual, there is the switch on the Outlaw that lets you send the LP to the M50 side. It also mentions that the LPL follows the LP from the internal crossover. That leads me to believe that if you send the LP to the M50 side, the LPL will control it. Because why would you want the LPL to attenuate your highs if you powered them with the M100 side? Makes sense to me, but it is not covered as clearly as it should be in the manual.

I know the M50 can use LP from the M100's Aux Output (and is internally wired as such) I always assume the LPL wouldn't work on the M50 side or work through the Aux output but I never have tried it.

I really don't know how the LPL exactly works, but I always assume it interfaced with the gain of the amplifier not the level of the input (or in this case the level of the Aux output)

Audiophiliac · Post by **Audiophiliac** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:30 am

I think it controls the low pass output of the crossover section. So regardless of how you set up the internal signal routing, if you activate the LP xover, the LPL contolrs that output. Thats what I gathered from the manual.

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:47 am

Yep, the LPL controls the output of the LP xover.