lets be honest people, a car is one of the worst places for electronics. Huge temp changes, constant rattleing and vibrating followed by bigger bumps, not to mention all the dust the fans expose the amps to.
I consider my sound systems an investiment with as much as I enjoy building and especially listening to them. While I love to plan and construct system, I hate to trouble shoot them. Even with the best equipment can have problems, that is a given but I will never INVEST in a line that has had known quality issues that while they swear they fixed them we continue to see posts like this. I do not understand how the extra couple of hundred bucks can't be understood not that you have invested soo much time into just trying to get it to work. What is your time worth? Consider how much time you have spent on these amps figuring out what was wrong, was it a cable, deck, speaker or the amp? Now you get to spend the next month er two waiting for a repair while swearing it is a solid line ?
Eric D wrote:X200.2 fan on full speed all the time, but amp plays music fine
im 99% the 2 and 4 channel amps do not have a thermostat like the monoblocks for controlling the fan speed.
it should be at full speed all the time
In the X100.4, my old X100.4, and my X200.4, the fan is on all the time, but is very slow and not all that noticeable. On this X200.2, the fan is so loud I have to turn up the music very loud to even hear it over the fan.
When you first turn on an A/B Xenon amp the fan spins up loud and then slows down. Mine is stuck on the fastest speed.
Got "schooled" by member shawn k on May 10th, 2011...
No longer really "in tune" with the audio industry, and probably have not been for some time.
Hands down the forum's most ignorant member...
Don't even know what Ohm's law is...
I know it is not right of me to make a blanket statement these amps suck. However, I am just fed up with the non-typical problems I am having. I have never had any other amp or amp line give me so many issues which are not related to abuse.
I know my neighbor beat on this X600.1, but I also know I installed it and it worked when it left my yard. When I got it from him there were no signs he did anything to it other than use it. I mounted it to his sub box which is a source of significant vibration, but countless other amps on the market can handle that.
In the case of the X100.4 and X200.2, their problems are not related to abuse, just plain failure. When I found a burnt trace under a surface mount part on the X200.2, that really started ending my love for the Xenon line. There is no reason for a trace to fail instead of a component.
Got "schooled" by member shawn k on May 10th, 2011...
No longer really "in tune" with the audio industry, and probably have not been for some time.
Hands down the forum's most ignorant member...
Don't even know what Ohm's law is...
gota love china made, great first batch is great than they cheap out were they can same in the hardwood industry....... sorry you hAVE SO MUCH PROBLEMS you are the wrong person to mess with when the amp has problems ........
most of my gear is gone :liar:
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That sucks your having so many problems Eric. I just have so say again that I love the Xenon amps. Granted I've only used the 1200.1 and none of the 2 or 4 channel amps. I have 4 of them and have never had a problem out of any of them at all.
kg1961 wrote:gota love china made, great first batch is great than they cheap out were they can same in the hardwood industry....... sorry you hAVE SO MUCH PROBLEMS you are the wrong person to mess with when the amp has problems ........
The Xenons were made in South Korea. So far the Chinese built amps (Octane, Ryval and RSD) have been perfect.
Anyways, it's not really WHERE it gets made, but more an issue of shrewd businessmen cutting corners (and this can happen in any country). In cases like this, QC depends a lot on babysitting the manufacturer to ensure they aren't cutting corners where they shouldn't be. I don't know if PG put too much trust in the manufacturer when they built the Xenons... perhaps they were not active enough in supervising their production? Regardless, someone at the factory made the call to cheap out on the soldering, and PG had to pay for it in the long run. This is likely why they no longer use the same manufacturer.
In the case of my Xenon X200.2 burning a trace under a component, that is more of a design flaw.
I suppose the manufacture could have made the copper too thin, or made the trace not wide enough, but I would think those would be speced out in the design of the amp.
Got "schooled" by member shawn k on May 10th, 2011...
No longer really "in tune" with the audio industry, and probably have not been for some time.
Hands down the forum's most ignorant member...
Don't even know what Ohm's law is...
ttocs wrote:the china amps are "perfect"? You will need to explain your definition of perfect I think....
We're talking about reliability here. The Xenons had terrible initial reliability, while the RSD, Ryval and Octanes were the most successful in that regard. We'll just have to wait and see if that good initial quality translates into good long term quality as well.
I really qustion the numbers that they show us on the return rates of their amps to tell you the truth. I see people all the time that have a damaged M, Ms, mps. zeropoint or Zx or Ti amps that want to repair them as they know that they are worth the time to repair.
Now I do hear of peopple wanting to send the newer amps off for warranty work while it is still good and why wouldn't they? This is of course assuming that they bought it from an authorized dealer and I would love to know the percentage of the off-shore amps that ARE sold through the authorized dealers. I think the majority of these amps were sold through un-authorized dealers and through areas where the warranty was denied and and made their numbers look better with out a repair?
That certainly could factor into it. Of course you could also argue that the price erosion on the newer lines that were due in large part to the distribution issues have caused us all to dramatically undervalue the newer amps. It is all about customer perception, especially when it comes to luxury goods such as high end audio.
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