Help Powercore 15 install

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:33 pm

I installed my 800.1Ti and 500.4Ti, with my BC Ti and PC15 some days ago. Everything played well for 3 days.

Now my PC goes into a kind of "safe-mode".
While starting it makes 2 clicks instead of 1.
Click 1= power on (leds go on),
Click 2= fans of the amps move a bit and no sound (no leds)

Measured 12.4V at PC connections before turning on the radio. (before 1st click).
Measured 3.48V after second click (leds PC stay on, no leds on amp).

I Switched to internal core with the new one bought in topic DOA PC15.

Does anyone has a manual of the PC15?
I only have the installation instructions.

Thanks

Post by **mhyde71** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:24 am

does/will this help bert?
http://download.phoenixphorum.com/Manua ... manual.pdf

Sorry to her about your trouble
Is this the core from that group buy we all did last year- the three of us????
I have been using mine now for, oh geese..., maybe like 4 months (or more)
NO trouble so far-

sry that i cant be of any more help, i was experiencing some freaky things with mine at first also - but things seem to be going on at at this point

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:55 am

Yep, that's the one of the group buy.

The file you mention is the installation manual (I already have that one).

Post by **ttocs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:08 am

I have heard that the power cores do tend to cause some funny problems that can't seem to be figured out but go away with the power cores removal. I think it confuses both the charging circuits as well as confuses the computer on the state of the battery. These problems have been rare but they also have been reported by some people that I know, know what they are doing so it is all the more confusing.

I assume you have the radio on, which then turns the powercore on as well while it is starting? Try turning the radio off, until the car is fully started and then keep an eye on the voltage gauge to see how big of a dip you get when it turns on.

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:00 am

ttocs wrote:I assume you have the radio on, which then turns the powercore on as well while it is starting? Try turning the radio off, until the car is fully started and then keep an eye on the voltage gauge to see how big of a dip you get when it turns on.

Yep, the remote goes from the radio to the core. From there I connected the remote further on to the amps.
Until yesterday it went like this:
1) Engin on
2) Radio goes on
3) Core goes on
4) Amps go on (this doesn't happen anymore)

At step 3, voltage drops from 12,6V to 3.48V.

I just took the core out, and hooked the amps to a dist block and everythings works OK. So the prob is the core.

What did I do to install the core:
Removed the old broken core (inside).
Replaced by the new one received by Math.
Didn't do anything with the white cable.
Installed the core in the car
Connected + and - with 0 gauche cable. And attached the remote+ cable (didn't use R-, don't know the use of it)

Problem started when I turned of the engine, and thought lets put on the contact directly, to avoid the music stop to play. (engine on, key turned off, turned back on immidiately).

gbody805 · Post by **gbody805** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:04 am

TiEcs wrote:Problem started when I turned of the engine, and thought lets put on the contact directly, to avoid the music stop to play. (engine on, key turned off, turned back on immidiately).

You lost me here. Not sure exactly what you mean.

Post by **ttocs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:12 am

white cable?

gbody805 · Post by **gbody805** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:50 am

There is a white wire that comes out of the capacitor module between the two copper tabs.

On some I've seen it is zip tied to the inner harness and covered with a shrink tube over the end.
Doesn't connect to anything.

The one I have has the wire cut flush with the face of the module.

Not sure what it's original purpose was.

davewaibel · Post by **davewaibel** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:21 pm

it was a grounding/shorting strap for the original alumpro wiring- doesn't do anything on the pg wiring, these things are really simple, the relay wiring is the most complicated thing going on in there, either they work or they don't- pictures would help-

davewaibel · Post by **davewaibel** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:23 pm

you need to hop the ground that is next to the remote, and strap it to the grounding block of the core, otherwise, will not fire the core correctly, voltage stops there- its something simple your doing wrong, open the cover and take a picture of the inside of the core

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:30 pm

gbody805 wrote:
TiEcs wrote:Problem started when I turned of the engine, and thought lets put on the contact directly, to avoid the music stop to play. (engine on, key turned off, turned back on immidiately).
You lost me here. Not sure exactly what you mean.

Lets say I'm on the road, driving my car. I stop to go to a shop.
I turn my key to stop the engine.
At that moment the power for the radio cuts too, and stops playing.
I turn my key back to the position that power is going to the radio (turning key half way). And at that moment the amps didn't fire up again.

I'll take some pictures and post them

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:32 am

I though the power cores charged each time the system was powered up, and then discharged when powered down? If that is the case then you are charging your 15F cap with only your battery which would explain the drop in voltage. That cap is not going to allow you to play your system with the motor off even for short periods.

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:37 am

At that moment the power for the radio cuts too, and stops playing.

if the power for the radio cuts out than there something more than the power core wrong
as the power core has nothing to do with the wires that conect to the radio if its factory wire that its on a separate fuse?

maybe the battery in the car has a losse ground or its starting to fail?

also matt had some differnt problem when he add his power core
maybe there something here that can help
http://phoenixphorum.com/here-s-one-for ... 12929.html

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:40 am

This is my setup:

Ignition key off= 12,4V at battery and Green circles, all led's off
Ignition key on, engine off= 2 Clicks in PC, voltage drops at green circles to 3,48V, at battery stil 12,4V, radio playing
Ignition key on, engine on= 2 Clicks in PC, voltage drops at green circles to 3,48V, at battery stil 12,4V, , radio playing

I can imagine that if the PC goes in a "security-mode" that AFTER the cap the power drops to 3,48V (But why go in safe-mode?)
But if I measure BEFORE the cap, at the place where the ground is attached, and + AFTER the cap, is it normal that there also it measures 3,48V ??

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:41 am

ttocs wrote:I though the power cores charged each time the system was powered up, and then discharged when powered down? If that is the case then you are charging your 15F cap with only your battery which would explain the drop in voltage. That cap is not going to allow you to play your system with the motor off even for short periods.

If the radio plays, battery is on, can't play on cap without battery

TiEcs · Post by **TiEcs** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:43 am

kg1961 wrote:At that moment the power for the radio cuts too, and stops playing.

if the power for the radio cuts out than there something more than the power core wrong

also matt had some differnt problem when he add his power core
maybe there something here that can help
http://phoenixphorum.com/here-s-one-for ... 12929.html

Radio works fine, and does what it needs to do.

I saw Matt's movie, and I think he has a problem with ghosts

lol

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:06 am

TiEcs wrote:This is my setup:

Ignition key off= 12,4V at battery and Green circles, all led's off
Ignition key on, engine off= 2 Clicks in PC, voltage drops at green circles to 3,48V, at battery stil 12,4V, radio playing
Ignition key on, engine on= 2 Clicks in PC, voltage drops at green circles to 3,48V, at battery stil 12,4V, , radio playing

I can imagine that if the PC goes in a "security-mode" that AFTER the cap the power drops to 3,48V (But why go in safe-mode?)
But if I measure BEFORE the cap, at the place where the ground is attached, and + AFTER the cap, is it normal that there also it measures 3,48V ??

By the sound of the last sentence you might have a bad ground, but again I thought the PC was only to be used with the motor running to support its charging need. Does it only do this with the motor running?

davewaibel · Post by **davewaibel** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:35 am

making the core more ominious than it needs to be- open the cover of the core and take a picture, there is no 'safe' mode for the core- 12v trigger fires a really big relay inside, there is a resistor on the relay, on the pg version of the core it is heat shrinked and mounts to the relay, very fragile connection and it may have snapped off- especially if you say you replace something in there- if this resistor is not working correctly it is possible that it would do what you are saying it is doing- also if the ground circuit is not correct the relay may not fire correctly either- seriously this is a very simple system- I have two of them in my vehicle- I think I can help if you take the cover off- and show the guts

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