Sloppy seconds

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:39 am

So my x10d2 is broken in for the most part, and through the breaking in process it has become very sloppy. not tight like a 10, or even lighter 12 should be.

at first i thought it was just me being too critical, but after some more listening it truly is.

option 1 - im thinking a smaller box might help? volume is at 1.3cf PG manual recommends 1.65cf for musical

option 2 - new subs....more then likely back to the ol reliable rsd12.
but since i won a couple on ebay, i might try a pair of zr10d4's for fun....

Post by **stipud** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:58 am

Isn't it frustrating how difficult it is to find a good balance?

If they play low they get sloppy and can't hit high notes worth a fuck. Also get a weak motor and reduced overall output.

If they play high they get boomy and can't play low notes, and also color the music by adding a "pang".

Really, the RSD is as good of a compromise as I have found between the two. I would love to try an IDMax 10 or IDQ 12, as they probably fit into this category as well.

Post by **Francious70** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:02 am

Try as many different subs as you can get your hands on I say. Eventually, you may find one that is better suited to your taste than the RSD

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:05 am

so you both think that a smaller box wont help?

i might just glue some liter soda bottles in there temporally to simulate a smaller box and see what happens

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:08 am

or you guys could get a solid mid bass driver

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:11 am

or someone needs to bit the bullet and try the XXLS

fyi I can try the XLS 12" debating about it tho

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:23 am

i dont have room for a dedicated midbass driver!

plus, the problem is with the sub not being tight enough sounding. granted it could belnd a little better, but it is close enough, so the midbass isnt what im worried about

what can you get the peerless for?

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:29 am

Bfowler wrote:i dont have room for a dedicated midbass driver!

plus, the problem is with the sub not being tight enough sounding. granted it could belnd a little better, but it is close enough, so the midbass isnt what im worried about

what can you get the peerless for?

Well heres my choices from the $285 worth of credit I have from the SS21ws

BG Neo3 PDR - $39/ea.
BG Neo3 - $40/ea.
Vifa xt25 - $42/ea.
Peerless XLS10 - $150/ea.
Morel HU 621 - $123/ea.
Morel HU 521 - $111/ea.
Supreme 110 - $268/pair.
XLS 12 -$174/ea.

Post by **stipud** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:44 am

Brandon, any 8" overall diameter midranges you can find? The best I can get on partsexpress is Goldwood shit, which is no improvement on my current speakers. If you can get any 8" drivers that are actually 8" total diameter, I will pay you for them.

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:07 pm

stipud wrote:Brandon, any 8" overall diameter midranges you can find? The best I can get on partsexpress is Goldwood shit, which is no improvement on my current speakers. If you can get any 8" drivers that are actually 8" total diameter, I will pay you for them.

hmm then look into...any home audio version of
Aurum Cantus, Morel, HiVi, Usher, Vifa, and BG Corp.

Id suggest finding something w/ morel

Post by **stipud** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:44 pm

At this point I would take anything that has an 8" overall diameter. My drivers are about as low end as it gets, but I love the cabinets and stands I have for them. Replacing the drivers and crossover would get me a pretty sweet sounding and looking setup.

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:11 pm

stipud wrote:At this point I would take anything that has an 8" overall diameter. My drivers are about as low end as it gets, but I love the cabinets and stands I have for them. Replacing the drivers and crossover would get me a pretty sweet sounding and looking setup.

hmmm Ill lok but everything is 8.25" at least

Post by **stipud** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:04 pm

Cool, I started a new thread so as not to shit on Brians.

Brian, my vote goes for a set of dual RSD 10's. Should play in the same airspace you have right now, so you may only need to put a new face on your existing box. They probably have the sound you are looking for.

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:27 pm

I vote...
http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index. ... 4&pid=2099

then give it to me

brenzbmr@sb · Post by **brenzbmr@sb** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:35 pm

try a stereo integrity mag 12
its not bad...

the rsd is also not bad either.

Post by **bdubs767** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:41 pm

brenzbmr@sb wrote:try a stereo integrity mag 12
its not bad...

the rsd is also not bad either.

heard lyod's they sounded damn good....

played low and were amzingly tight for such high excursion woofer.

Post by **VW337** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:26 am

Brian I think we should put a new front baffle on your enclosure and run 8 6.5" drivers................

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:38 am

riggggght.

um im assuming you mean 8 ported rsd's.....

Post by **stipud** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:40 am

I've been considering running an array of these for awhile:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdet ... er=264-832

With any talent I could fit six to eight of them under my parcel shelf without digging into trunk space. Good thing I suck at fabrication or I'd actually go through with it.