Upgrading to 1/0 gauge TOPIC IS DONE

[ttocs]

like I said strange in all the years I installed the only connection I saw fail was on OFC copper.

[RobertJr79]

Don't forget he will be running a 20+ft wire, which decreases the cables effective amp rating & increases the resistance. CCA already has a higher restsitance so there could be a sizeable voltage drop across that CCA wire that wouldn't happen with the OFC. Considering how big of a difference there is in power from the Ti amps between 12.5 & 14.4v, any voltage drop will impact the amp's performance.

Aluminum has a greater resistance than copper, it also has a greater expansion/contraction rate from temperature change than copper, which in a mobile environment can be huge temp swings from day to day, especially under the hood. This change will stress the cable at every connection point, which will loosen up & fail much faster than copper.

The difference between the cables was only $30 according to his math, so the OFC is not twice the price or that difference would be $50 (the price of CCA). So he could spend an extra $30 now & get a more reliable cable with more than enough capacity for his future plans and very little voltage drop, or spend another $50+ (prices never go down) later on and not only have the headaches of running 2 huge wires & having to install the second wire but will also need more fuses and fuse blocks and still have higher voltage drop issues. Why all that nonsense over saving a whopping $30 now?

Ears are so insensitive to change you cannot base every decision on if its audible or not.

OK I get your saying here, but it will be a saving of more then $30. Its a saving of $74+ tax and shipping I notice the OFC is heavy then the CCA, I also need to buy the 1/0ga for the big 3 under the hood, the 1/0ga power extension for the rear of the van. Plus on top of that I lost my job Monday, I picked up 2 out of 3 amps I wanted from Drock cause I lost my job. I also sold the amps I was using in the van and now have no music, right now. I want to be able to install the TI amps when they get here and there no way I'm installing it on 4 ga. Your may be asking why I upgraded if I lost my job and the reason is I had made a deal with Drock for a ZX475TI, ZX600TI and TI800.1, before I lost my job and made a deposit and I didn't want to back out of the deal. So we made a new deal for 2 of the 3 amps, I didn't want to back out cause I'm just not that kind of person. So it may not seam like much $74 but with 3 kids (1 being autistic and ADHD) it make a difference.

EDIT: I was going to replace my subs and wires when I got the TI amps, but the money now is going for the wire upgrade and I'll keep using the subs I have now till I can upgrade them to better one. Also to save money I will be re-using the 4ga I have now to power the amps, it a cheap kit I picked up at a pawn shop for $40.

Could I get the OFC kit for the main power and get the CCA for the big 3 upgrade and the extension at the rear for now till I'm able to upgrade to full OFC.

[Drock]

You will not need more than two batts.
Also I think the ofc wire is so nice to work with.

[zeropoint0.5]

there are more important things in life then car audio....

if you had the bad luck of loosing you're job, just put the idea's for a while aside until the time you're

back in a stabile situation....there is a worldwide recession at the moment and believe me, you're not

the only one.....

i would not choose the "cheapest solution" now..... i would wait and choose the "right solution" only ......

maybe you can buy the needed wires somewhere secondhand ?? if you search good enough ????

i wish you the best in finding a new job as soon as possible..... good luck......

[RobertJr79]

OK thanks for all your input, I just posted a WTB in the buy and sell and I'll see what happens.

[audiophyle_247]

Here, check this site out.
http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/ ... ash-01.htm
100%full copper, & I think cheaper than Knu CCA even, and the only real caveat is its stiff as shit.

While I disagree with your priorities and putting your reputation as a good buyer over providing for your kids, I understand where youre coming from & working within a tight budget.

Something my grandfather always told me and I still follow to this day.
"If somethings worth doing, then it's worth doing right."
Setbacks are a part of life, but it will make the system that much better when you get to finish it up.

You don't need 1/0 for the big 3, buy a single long run of 1/0 for your amp power & grounds, then chop up that 4ga wire you have & use that for the big 3. Run a couple 4ga grounds from the batt to the car & engine and you will be fine, not to mention is wire you already have.


The fact that aluminum wiring is no longer acceptable to use in housing tells me all I need to know about using it in a harsher environment such as a vehicle.

[RobertJr79]

Here, check this site out.
http://www.wireandsupply.com/product_p/ ... ash-01.htm
100%full copper, & I think cheaper than Knu CCA even, and the only real caveat is its stiff as shit.

While I disagree with your priorities and putting your reputation as a good buyer over providing for your kids, I understand where youre coming from & working within a tight budget.

Something my grandfather always told me and I still follow to this day.
"If somethings worth doing, then it's worth doing right."
Setbacks are a part of life, but it will make the system that much better when you get to finish it up.

You don't need 1/0 for the big 3, buy a single long run of 1/0 for your amp power & grounds, then chop up that 4ga wire you have & use that for the big 3. Run a couple 4ga grounds from the batt to the car & engine and you will be fine, not to mention is wire you already have.


The fact that aluminum wiring is no longer acceptable to use in housing tells me all I need to know about using it in a harsher environment such as a vehicle.

Now when did I ever say I can't provide for my kids? The fridge, deep freezer and cupboards are full, we did $300 worth of grocery today that a weekly thing for us. My girlfriend still work, she offered to buy me what I needed and I said no, I would never put this before my family and I can't believe you said what you said. I'm taking the money I had saved up for the new subs, to buy what I need. I still have money in the bank for car payment, gas, bills and other expense we have. Just like my girlfriend has her own hobby and she would also never put her hobby before the family, she like reptiles we just bought $5000 worth of Ball Pythons, snake rack, rats, mouse, rat and mouse racks cause she would like to start breeding Ball Pythons. Are kids are spoiled, next time you want to make a comment like that I think you should keep it to your self.

Do you really thing I would be buying anything if we couldn't afford it? Just because I wanted to save money doesn't mean we don't have money.

[audiophyle_247]

I call it like I see it, you have no job and are making decisions based on not having enough money.
Then you say you have 3 kids and that money is tight. I may have been the most direct, but I'm damn sure not the only one thinking it. So take a step back and calm down. I'm also not about to sit back & watch someone neglect their kids, so no I won't keep comments like that to myself, and I'm glad that's not the case here.

If you don't want people to get that impression, then be damn sure about what you are posting.

I also said you shouldn't take shortcuts and try to make it work with real copper wiring.
If money is not that big of an issue, then I fail to see the point of your resistance toward OFC prices.

[ttocs]

I have never known anyone on here well enough to judge if they are or are not providing for their kids and certainly never called anyone out on it. Even if I cared it would not be my place to analize where/how/if you are doing the right thing for your family by what has been discussed now about wire so how about we stop crapping up his post about stuff that he should not need to explain to anyone but his kids and his spouse? If you want to give him advice on how to live his live take it to pm or even better yet let him live his life and do what he needs or wants too.

[RobertJr79]

ok this topic can be deleted, lock or ever happen to a finished topic.

[davewaibel]

the knu concepts aluminium crap,is just that- why bother- your not really gaining anything by going 0 gauge with that stuff- seriously I have more wire in my install than probably any single system on this board, and I strongly suggest you do not use this product- you can argue the math, and merits, but at the very least if your going to do something like that, and don't want to step up, then get some 4 gauge welding cable, 1ft of 8 gauge welding cable will weigh twice as much as 1 ft of aluminium 0 gauge- hmmm, if your concerned about current management, save your pennies for another 2 weeks and buy the better cable- oooooppppsss just read the page 2 of this thread, didn't realize it had degraded into a social studies issue