I've had enough fellas. So I need advice, help, mate's rates

Post by **stipud** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:40 pm

ydnap wrote:A2801T

Ok, Audiobahn: 400 watts at 4 ohms... generously rated
ZX200: 200 watts at 4 ohms... underrated

You're talking at most a 3 decibel difference here. I wouldn't be too concerned with it.

Out of all the subs you listed, the JBL would be my choice. I think there are some better options though... RSD10, ID10, etc.

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:46 pm

Yeah I know those subs are good dude but TBH I really need a high excursion sub that can shift some air.

Right now I am considering getting a stroker 10 because you can snap them up cheap. Also been looking @ Earthquake DBX 10 and tremor 10.

I do have a pretty bizarre/oldskool taste in subs..

What concerns me with the stroker is it's shit sens rating, I mean 81db? fucking hell thats gonna need a K shoved up it's ass. At which point I could afford the morel.

I hate this shit lmao, so many decisions to make :S

Screw it, delete that FS thread Im sticking to PG this time. The audiobahn can go. Only thing man is it's not gonna be easy to shift and by the time I am done the install is gonna run me another $200 :S

bah, maybe I will go with the JBL and just use the rest to install everything... But, as I say I do have a old flame for earthquake subs..

I need to order a sub ASAP tbh, because until I have I aint going to have a set direction on what else I need..

Let me see if I can find a decent EQ sub and then I will be able to get the rest in order..

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:47 pm

and aye. youre right about the amps. The deep drop was actually better with the ZX but it did seem alot less powerful.. Warmth is something I simply cannot sacrifice with a 10 tho, last fuckin thing I want is a slap in the back lol.

So basically I want a sub that drops to 2 ohm to get some more oomph out of the ZX, and itll do 400 on 2ohm IIRC.

Post by **stipud** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:47 pm

You want something oldschool style, why not an IDQ10? High efficiency, high quality. Hell, port it.

Don't forget I ran my RSD10 on 250 watts and it was stupid how good it sounded. I doubt you would be disappointed.
http://photo.stipud.com/v/saab/stereo/c ... p.mpg.html

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:52 pm

hey andy, have you considered the PG ryval line? lacking in the ultra low spectrum...but 91db efficiency and quite musical.

honestly...is you are running ~300 watts to a sub, you would be hard pressed to beat a rsd. (more SQ) or Ryval (louder, but less low end.)

i think if you were to port a Ryval 10 at around 35hz you would be a happy boy, and your charging system would thank you.

just my $.02

ooooh, and the PG XS line....also VERY efficient and quick. and if you seem em on ebay, quite affordable

dedlyjedly · Post by **dedlyjedly** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:53 pm

ydnap wrote:Yeah I know those subs are good dude but TBH I really need a high excursion sub that can shift some air.

Dare I ask why you think you need something with high excursion!? I've always found it tough to give you a second opinion Pandy because no matter how good the piece of advice is you have your own "logic" that inevitably leads to your own decision.

Oh well, I'll give it another try. First and foremost figure out what's going on with your electrical system. It doesn't sound like you've properly diagnosed the problem there. While you're more than likely significantly under-powering your current system it may not be causing the symptoms you described. Have your system checked for a parasitic current draw. AFTER researching that further, THEN decide if you want to change up the system. If a new sub is in order, it certainly sounds like the RSD 12 would best fit your needs. RSD has been mentioned several times already and for good reason. It performs very well on limited power (I'm powering mine on the rear channels of a 4 channel just like Tom and thus speak from experience) and it is going to hit lower frequencies than anything you're comparing it to. I know you mentioned specifically getting a new 10" sub, but tbh the 12" seems a better fit for your system goals.

Mackenzie · Post by **Mackenzie** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:14 pm

stipud wrote:
fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:Smash the audiobahn.
Fixed

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:49 pm

Bfowler wrote:hey andy, have you considered the PG ryval line? lacking in the ultra low spectrum...but 91db efficiency and quite musical.

honestly...is you are running ~300 watts to a sub, you would be hard pressed to beat a rsd. (more SQ) or Ryval (louder, but less low end.)

i think if you were to port a Ryval 10 at around 35hz you would be a happy boy, and your charging system would thank you.

just my $.02

ooooh, and the PG XS line....also VERY efficient and quick. and if you seem em on ebay, quite affordable

I asked about them at the very beginning lol. Thanks for that tho, very helpful

I spoke to a pal of mine and he might help me financially so that I can get a 10" stroker.

As for the electrical problem? I think I found it now

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:22 pm

OK I have decided not to be greedy. Using the stroker will cause all kinds of problems that I don't need. I dont want to have to buy a $2000 amp later down the road and I dont want to build an install with componentry that doesnt match..

OK, I should have pointed this all out before, but the reasons I wanted to do this are as follows.

I am getting too old to have a trunk full of shit. I need my trunk back (at least half of it) and I am tired of dragging around all the extra weight.

I want to be able to access my spare wheel too, for over a year if I had gotten a blowout it would have meant serious shit.

I just want the fucking car finished, the trunk install clean and mint and to be able to just drive the car and enjoy myself without working myself to death on it anymore..

So I decided on a 10" subwoofer simply because that's all we used to have in my ex wife's focus (was a high excursion MA audio) and it was plenty. It actually sounded REALLY nice and heavy. No doubt it wont be a sniff on the 18 but ho hum, I'll only be using it at max volume anyway lol.

The design is rather simple, single display that runs the width of the trunk with the sub facing up like my ex's, leaving half the trunk in front of it empty. It'll be elevated 3" off the floor so I can remove the spare wheel cover and pull the wheel out without touching the system.

So sub in the middle, amps either side on angled platforms. Both PG, 4awg into distros and 8awg to each amp. nice, simple and Tidy. The system will however have a ported box, and I am aware that good 10" woofers these days can produce as much low end as an 18. so I shouldnt really lose *that* much.

Good thing is I can probably claw back more than I spend by selling the 18 and the Audiobahn on egay.

So, with all that said (and the fact I have ran my system for 2 years) I have placed my order.

In the end it was a close toss up between the JBL I posted earlier and an unposted Punch stage 4 10. I have never been a very big fan of RF subs however and really wanted a black one.

I didnt want to throw $200 @ finishing my trunk with the 18 and 3 amps. I just cant fuckin stand having a unreliable car anymore lads tbh.

Here is what I ordered, nothing complicated or over the top. I will be running the sub in JBL's reccomended box which is 1.25 cu ft with an 8" long port.

Thanks for the help and advice, it was actually what got my arse in gear and my order placed. Now I can stop burning my brains looking @ hundreds of subs and start planning the install

Everything in the car is ripped out now. All thats left is the 2 amps on the board running all the components. Theyll stay put for now as I need something to listen to, but it's all going to be completely redone

1. Scosche EFX EAFH: 1 @ $3.99
2. Phoenix Gold XSBX115: 1 @ $5.99
3. 8 Gauge ORANGE Power / Ground Cable PRICED PER FOOT: 4 @ $0.29
4. 8 Gauge PURPLE Power / Ground Cable PRICED PER FOOT: 4 @ $0.29
5. 8 Gauge BLACK Power / Ground Cable PRICED PER FOOT: 8 @ $0.49
6. JBL GTO1004D: 1 @ $54.99

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:27 pm

oops. Scosche is a new fuse holder and PG thing a neg battery terminal

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:32 pm

dedlyjedly wrote:
ydnap wrote:Yeah I know those subs are good dude but TBH I really need a high excursion sub that can shift some air.
Dare I ask why you think you need something with high excursion!? I've always found it tough to give you a second opinion Pandy because no matter how good the piece of advice is you have your own "logic" that inevitably leads to your own decision.

Oh well, I'll give it another try. First and foremost figure out what's going on with your electrical system. It doesn't sound like you've properly diagnosed the problem there. While you're more than likely significantly under-powering your current system it may not be causing the symptoms you described. Have your system checked for a parasitic current draw. AFTER researching that further, THEN decide if you want to change up the system. If a new sub is in order, it certainly sounds like the RSD 12 would best fit your needs. RSD has been mentioned several times already and for good reason. It performs very well on limited power (I'm powering mine on the rear channels of a 4 channel just like Tom and thus speak from experience) and it is going to hit lower frequencies than anything you're comparing it to. I know you mentioned specifically getting a new 10" sub, but tbh the 12" seems a better fit for your system goals.

The problem with the electrical system was a fucked door switch. it was constantly jammed open. And when I wired in the overhead screen's LED lights I didnt realise I also wired in the Infra red. Because the doorswitch was stuck open and constantly grounding the Infra red thinger on the screen (that should be on a amp rem) was constantly on.. It was only tonight when I realised the door warning light on the cluster wasnt going out and looked up as it was getting dark that I realised. I had a spare door switch, that's now fixed

I don't really want a 12 tbh. The problem is that the ported enclosure they require is so bloody big. I know this because I used a couple of 12's before getting the 18. I want ported, and they tend to need to be pretty large. Plus I have come to the conclusion that whatever I have I want my trunk back, and less weight.

Anyways I am hoping I have the leccy problem fixed (irony how it was nothing to do with the system) but at least it's got my arse in gear to get the trunk sorted out once and for all

Post by **Francious70** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:48 pm

Am I the only one who see's the easy answer here??

Buy a higher output alternator and leave everything else the same.

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:54 pm

Alt would be at least $300 and then I would still have to redo all the trunk anyways.

It's just too much tbh..

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:00 pm

does anyone know where to get colored carpet? Im after green and white, 2 shades of the green if poss.

Ta.

Post by **stipud** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:13 pm

Simple

Ryval 10

Port at 35

ZX200

Throw your front stage in the garbage

Install eclipse components up front

Congratulations

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:17 pm

I got the JBL. Looks like it can take a battering

Always wanted to try a JBL sub, and the new ones look alot better built than before..

I do need white and green carpet now tho, gonna be a fuxor to find aswell by the look of it

Post by **mr tibbs** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:56 pm

I know you have made up your mind allready, but please let me point out that there are 2 ways of making gut wrenching bass. First, throwing a whold hell of a lot of power at either a single driver, or many drivers. That method you tried and don't want to go that route, so maybe you should try the other way. Maybe it's time for you to try your hand at wood woorking and build a custom box. No, I'm not talking about a simple ported box, I'm talking about something maybe like a snail shell or an ABC box. You would be absolutley amazed at the results from a custom box designed for your car. I have built a box like this and I was awe struck.

Just a thought for you to chew on!

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:13 pm

Heh, don't worry Mr Tibbs I have something very different in mind

I'm about to post a thread that shows my old house system back in the U.K. You'll see the T-36 Intense ! replica I built with snuck out plans from Cerwin Vega.

It's basically an enormous Trapezoidal folded horn. Watch this space

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:36 pm

Yay, found an old photo. Scanner is shit, but this pic gives all the details of what I have planned for the system.

I used to spend great time and efforts on sound systems, sadly since I got here I just havent had the time to put in, plus the system all arrived in chunks so it was all a bit 'fit it where ya can' so to speak.

Anyways, I am going to build a cabinet similar to the one here -

Doubtful it will be trapezoidal as I no longer have access to an electric planer. However, I may well roll with that. Nice part is that they have bandpass plans on JBL for the sub, so all I need to do is use those for rough parameters. It's usually just a regular sealed box in some whacky sound projection.

And I am going to theme the install around South Park's Terrence and Phillip.

"Say Terrence, this subwoofer has the farts !"

Hence why I need white and 2 shades of green carpet. Check out the shelf on the floor to the right of the sub

Post by **Wakeup** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:27 am

I got a stroker 15. Fun stuff.

theburb · Post by **theburb** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:59 am

i didnt bother reading all your thread because it hurts my eyes....but why dont you just change out your alt and call it a day....from what i remember pandy you live here in the states...you can go and grab a 140amp alt for 100 bucks and then just change out the braket and be done with it....thats what i have always done when ever i know somebody with a shit alt in their car works 10 out of 10 times.

get the physically largest sized cca battery that fits in your car and then just snatch up a gm140 alt and presto....smooth sailing and you never have a problem again.

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:30 pm

I now have a nice ripe pile of Birch sitting outside.

And a bag full of new minted powertools. Let's ruff em up a bit

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:09 pm

Got out there and started today. Man these cabinet designs are hard to build.. I did get the internal sealed chamber finished and started on the port 'planes' and then the mosquitoes ate me so much I had to call it a day.

Fuckers !

The overhung edges are done on purpose as part of the design

theburb · Post by **theburb** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:30 pm

what happen to the 18?

Post by **VW337** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:10 pm

Pandy the Ryval 10 you slapped up there is very clean and accurate, I would suggest a ported box for it as it is a dog down low without it, but a beast once ported. Throw 300'ish watts at it and be happy.

Or go RSd and never be happier, for anything near it in the price range.