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I would like to know what is probally the top 3 best 12" sq subs out there and why and what application cause as true audiophiles say the sound is actually 75% sound from the box itself. Also whats there price range. Im upgrading my sub this week. One other thing this will be a single 12" application in a toyota 4 runner. Everryones answers would greatly be appreciated.

knightrider358

cause as true audiophiles say the sound is actually 75% sound from the box itself

I am one....and I would not agree with that statement.

What are you upgrading from?

Some decent SQ subs?

Fi Q is not so bad...loud...some Decent Q...

ID Q's are better SQ...

FOCAL Utopia 33WX2

I haven't heard enough different subs to absolutely judge this, unfortunately.

But I do know that without a good box, even the best subs won't perform well. A box has a lot to do with it, but so does the driver, I don't think you can slap a number like 75% on how much either components plays a role in SQ.

If by SQ you mean flat like a ruler frequency response, the range in question becomes important.

I *love* the RSdC. Again, I haven't heard many of the boutique brands. It may not be the ultimate SQ sub, it does sound fantastic, however.

Ive heard cheap subs do amazing things in great boxes and great subs sound like ass in crappy boxes. Ive heard ported boxes sound as clean as sealed. Ive even seen a sealed box that was as loud as a ported box..


But yeah. As long as the sub isnt garbage the box makes all the difference

I run TREO SSi's for a reason.

The best SQ I've heard and when ordered to "get down", they will.

There's some guy trying to sell a 15" Focal with the sexy red double stacked magnets over in classifieds, you might want to look into that one. Not that I'm biased or anything.

for out and out sq there can only be one, VELODYNE! i run one off a Zeus viii and it's awsome

Need a Velodyne anyone?

Bogart might have one for sale...............

Wakeup wrote:Need a Velodyne anyone?

Bogart might have one for sale...............

they are very picky about what amp they will calibrate too but the good news is old school pg's are fine

yes, I do have a nice one...home unit though...750 watt amp on it and it totally overpowers my rti towers and the monitor rears...for of em...so that is like a total of 18 drivers and each speaker in the 7.1 is getting 300 rms...it is boomy...

I am not sure I really want to sell mine ...paid a great deal for it

I have found it really depends on what a particular person likes. The RE SR and the JLW6 are very clinical and accurate, but for me it's too clinical, where as the RE XXX is really my cup of tea. It plays anything you can throw at it so damn well. Even when it's up very loud and moving a lot, it can still play the fastest drum beats and just stop with no overhang at all. As for the bottom end on, it's just awesome, even in a .8cuft gross box it still played lower than any other ported 12 I've used.

I suspect when I finally get round to putting the Ascendant Audio Chaos in it will give me the same smile.

I've listened to some Rainbows and Focals, both of which were nice but after the XXX they did seem to be lacking. As for DD, for some reason because they used to make studio drivers everyone that owed them said how good they sounded. I didn't hear one that was close to nice, loud yes, but good no.

i have only ever had RF, JL i liked the JL's better. would like to try treo's and fi gear... but content w/ the jl's at this point.

I allways liked the A/D/S subs for accurate reproduction but haven,t bought any since they sold out so I,m not sure if there still as good but Iv,e seen some n.o.s on the bay from time to time at good deals worth checking out, just keep in mind any sub will only sound as good as the source and other equipment ahead of it includeing the wires

I have herd JLW6 and Eclipse sw8200 in sealed boxes both sound nice.
The Eclipse sounds cleaner and has louder bottom end but requires a large box. They have the ability to get loud and handle more than their rated power. Last time i checked the sw8200 were bout $300 on ebay last year.

Morel Ultimo 12 .. retail price is $800.00 USD
I've heard things with this sub I never heard with any before.

Eclipse Aluminum 12 (not titanium) ... retail was $400 originally
Truely a low end beast.

Image Dynamics IDmax12 .. retail $ ???
Never carried these but was very impressed with allot of comp cars I heard that used them.

JL Original 12W6 ... retailed (back then) $350ish
It would be tough to find one of these still in good shape. But if you find em, snatch em up!

Those are the ones that stand out in my head as far as those I've heard and or used. I hear good things about the Velodyns but never experienced them myself

My top 3...
PG RSDC
Adire Brahma/RE XXX (original)
Peerless XXLS

I also really like...
JL W6v2/W7
IDMax
PG Ti Elite
PG RSD

And I'm sure there are many others I have forgotten.

I loved the old school RF Power HX2's from back in the day.....those bad boys were sweet when they hit the market

dBincognito wrote:I loved the old school RF Power HX2's from back in the day.....those bad boys were sweet when they hit the market

Definitely. Those kicked major ass.