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vote...new speaker set.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:49 pm
by Bfowler
i am looking for a successor for my dying ti elites.
the pg rsdc ever coming out seems slim to none..
ultimately i would go hertz...but they are crazy expensive. trying to keep the budget at no more then 300.
i have serious hookups for jl and focal...not the biggest fans, but should be decent still
so trying to decide between
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_comp ... omp_id=441
http://www.speedsound.com/product.asp?s ... =jnfmdoese
i know exile is working on a new xtec speaker also. the current one just wont cut it though. and the xpe doesn't have the presence i need. plus after seeing how my Elites deteriorated i want to stay away from a neo magnet. i am pretty hard on my speakers
i have a set of RSD's, but the gap at 200hz and tonal balance compared of the elites puts them out of contention
the amp for the future set is a xenon 200.2
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:53 pm
by mr tibbs
Ultra!
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:56 pm
by mr tibbs
Actually the MSRP on the Ultra set was $499 IIRC so I gues they are out. They do have great midbass though!
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:59 pm
by mr tibbs
Another thought, don't you have another Xenon 100.4 or Xenon 200.2? Why not try an active set up and buy some DIY drivers?
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:01 pm
by Bfowler
how did you you would say that.
manufacture link?
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:02 pm
by Bfowler
i did just aquire a x100.4...but swapping it out at this point would be a PAIN
i think im gonna stick with passive's whichever route i take.
also...the RETAIL of 499 doesnt mean they cant be found cheaper...they could be a contender
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:04 pm
by Bfowler
how funny would it be if you switched to the rsdc...like me
and i switched to the ultra's like you.
samesies!!!!
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:05 pm
by Bfowler
so one vote for jl and focal with no comment/ who voted for which and why?
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:08 pm
by mr tibbs
I really like the set, the tweet is a little bright but that can be dealt with. If you are seriously interested let me know. I'll get you in touch with the right people.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:10 pm
by mr tibbs
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:11 pm
by Bfowler
i deffinelty want more info. what is the tweet made of. pics of the passive crossover?
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:11 pm
by Bfowler
oh posted right before you. looking now
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:35 pm
by gkitching
Briiannn .. Focal .. a French product? Really
Honestly tho, I found the kevlars to be nicer then the Utopias in some aspects. Much better low mid punch then the Utopia's. And I personally loved their tweeters. I hated the day Focal gave the line to Tweeter stores. I had a Tweeter store 1 block down the street from me that kinda forced me to look at an other high-end brand. That's the main reason we switched to Morel. As for metal tweeters and any perceived 'harshness' just because they are metal is hogwash. RTA a set of silk domes against a set of those tweeters and it is very revealing. Most silk domes have a natural tendency to start dropping off around 16kHz. Those Focals will play straight out to 30k+ ! (not that we can hear that high a freq) To me that just means more accurate. And it may be that most people are not used to hearing so much more detail and equate it to being harsh. Plus, like tibbs mentioned, if it's too much you can cut them back. As apposed to boosting a silk dome to make it do the same. There's definately nothing like the realism of a cymbal on a metal tweeter.
To give you an idea, I had 3 IASCA World Champs the first year we started carrying Focal. Compared to 3 the previous 5 yrs. And those Kevlars were in each of those vehicles.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:24 pm
by Bfowler
i know FRENCH! dammit
i also noticed the kevlars tweeters use a ploy-glass-ish dome (similer to old PG XS drivers) and not metal dome
also, if cost is coming into the equation, dont let it. i get the JL drivers 62points off list
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:34 pm
by stipud
Why don't you just go listen to both of them and pick which one YOU think sounds best?
I would keep the Elites though. I'm sure you can find another set of mids
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:45 pm
by Bfowler
thats a pretty good idea too....
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:51 pm
by smgreen20
Ebay has the 5 1/4 and the 6 1/2 Elite mids.
5 1/4
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-Phoenix-Gol ... |294%3A200
6 1/2
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pair-of-Phoenix-Gol ... |294%3A200
I went Focal as well. I've heard both Focal and JL and I prefer the Focals 7 to 1 in and odds match.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:29 pm
by SolacE
Between the two listed definetly the focal. I loved my 2 sets of focals I have used (165 V1 & the K2Ps). The tweeter to me is a little bright but very easy to adjust to my liking via eq in the headunit. The held up well...and I am a rough on my components.
I currently run Diamond Hex S600A. They lack in the midbass by comparison to the Focals. Still pleased with them...esp for the price.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:33 pm
by gkitching
Weird? They were always metal, titanium. TN52 i think was the tweeter model number. That site seems to be down at the moment. I'll try again later. Maybe they changed em?
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:38 pm
by Bfowler
thats what i thought too!
from their text
6 1/2 " (165mm) 2 way kit, high precision separate crossover with tweeter and midrange adjustment.
Woven aramid fiber tweeter for optimum coherence.
The optimum standard that combines easy installation and bass quality.
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:40 pm
by Bfowler
oooh, forgot about wooferstec...pretty sure i am buying a set of those this week.