Phoenix Gold Phorum

hi, I'm having an issue with my ti6 elite mid's I purchased two sets of these for my setup. one for use and a back up pair.... sadly though, im into the back up pair.... ... here's why:

For whatever reason, anytime i put one of these in my front passenger side door the surround separates from the cone. Not all the way around just in one spot about an inch and a half long. I haven't noticed whether or not it was the same spot on all three drivers. The driver's side however has been beating strong and loud since the day it was installed with out a problem (knock on wood). I checked the door for clearance and it seemed fine I even went as far as mounting the driver over slightly and it still happened. I've never had this problem before in any of my setups (this is frustrating).These driver sound so damn good it would be a shame to have to go a different route.

Here's how they're set up:
I'm feeding these about 100-125 watts each and they are high passed @ about 200hz and low passed @ 3khz. Mounted in the factory speaker location for my car (2003 honda accord)

1.My first question is: can I fix these? If I can, how? (I really dont want to give these up)
2.My second question is: could a possibly reversed polarity cause this to happen?
3. If and when I can and do repair them , should I try mounting to the door card so they are directly in cabin protected by a grill (I don't have the pg grills for these)

Any help or wise words would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

can you show some pics so that we can see what we have? More then likely it is repairably by you with the right adhesive, wiring the out of phase would not cause this anymore then wiring them correctly as long as they can move freely. Is it possible that the wiring connecting to the speaker is pushing the surround out as the speaker moves? Is the seperation on the same area as the connectors?

Mine have done this, and I have heard of many other cases as well. Fortunately it can be glued and is good as new afterwards. I don't remember what I used on mine... probably some sort of rubber cement.

i will take and post pictures in the morning. as well as check if its happening by the speaker connectors. you do mean the wires from the vc to where I would connect the wires to the amp right? right under the cone? if they are making contact there should i maybe move them or possibly carefully zip tie them out of the way??

hey stipud how are they holding up after "reglueing" them?? any difference in performance?? any do you think the bond between the surround and the cone will be stronger or will i be doomed to constantly "reglueing"

i could see where it may happen to one but three with in a span of two months??

surrounds are a replaceable item on most speakers and as long as you clean the surface and use the right stuff you will be fine.

I haven't needed to reglue them again...

Reversing polarity on it only makes it play 180* out of phase

the pics are loading from my phone now will post shorty they don't really show too much, the drivers are in great condition other than the surround and cone not playing well with each other. Stipud , do you remember what you used to glue these back together? you mentioned rubber cement before but didn't sound too sure.

after inspecting these I'm thinking that it may have been a bad glue job in the first place, not enough glue? Maybe these slipped through QC?

Yeah the glue they used on them was pretty weak. I have seen them separate on both the cone side and the basket side too! Regluing them takes a few minutes and they shouldn't come apart after that.

I used some generic rubber/plastic cement. As long as it is rubber safe there should be no problem.

Edit: just had a look and it is 3M Scotch-Grip plastic adhesive. They also have a Rubber & Gasket version of Scotch-Grip that should be even better. I am sure you don't need to go overboard with this however.
http://multimedia.mmm.com/mws/mediawebs ... rHCOrrrrQ-

here are some pics

I picked up some rubber cement. I couldn't find the 3m stuff so i picked up the elmer's brand. I'm ready to glue!!! lol...

should I separate the rest of the surround first and clean with rubbing alcohol and q-tip or just clean and glue the spot where it became separated ?

looks like it just wore out but at least it is clean. I would try to carefully seperate the rest of it and clean it or else you know the other side will seperate as soon as the glue dries. Tape off the section of the speaker that you do not want glue on and try to use as little as possible to make it stick as this is a case where you can fave too much.

would it hurt if afterwards I added a little under the speaker where the cone and surround meet? Like a seal? it looks like pg did this too. how long should I let these babies dry before reinstalling??

check it to see if it is loose but if it is not then leave it alone. Even a light amount of additional adhesive will put alot more stress on the speaker because it will be part of the moving part of the speaker.

For example, take a chopstick and wiggle it between your fingers. Now put a couple wraps of tape around it and do it again.

if you have to then do it but again try to use as little as possible to get a good connection.

that makes sense ill leave it alone and see what happens. how long should i let them sit before trying them out??

I was inspired to do a set of 12's i had laying around with the same issue

I know how itchen u are to get these bad boys runnin again but be patient, let them dry for the night, and then u can enjoy them in the morn

yea like he said leave it for at least a night. It will depend on what material you use, but check the instructions and add a little just to be safe.

Yeah I definitely got the itch to hear these with out the crackle again. but now I have to chase down the cause of the issue. Another excuse to use my dremel??? YESSSS!!!! lol. You guys have been more than helpful in sharing your knowledge which gave me the confidence to just do it. now I've fixed 4 speakers.

side note: can you believe that the jerk i got these subs from used electrical tape to try to hold one of the subs surround to the basket??? then had the nerve to not even mention that to me... for the price, I would've purchased the subs anyway and glued them back on.

Thanks again guys. Ill post the final results sometime tomorrow or the following day.