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Ground loop... Dangit!

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:04 pm
by NewOldStock
I was driving my pickup this morning and actually had the stereo muted for the first time since install - and noticed that I have a dang ALT whine!

Only on fronts - Subs are probably crossed over low enough it gets cut out.

Its volume doesnt change based on the volume knob - only engine speed changes the tone.

both amps and CAP are grounded to a single ground block

Deck is a newer (1yr old) Pioneer non-premier

Amp gains are around roughly 50%, slightly over

big-3 upgraded

Tomorrow I will disconnect the RCA's at the amp, power on the system and see if the Alt Whine is still present - if it IS, I know its not the HU or the RCA, if its not - It should be the HU or RCA's... correct?

I have heard about a common Pioneer problem that requires the RCA's to be grounded to the HU - anyone have any pics of that? I am specifically curious about exactly where I would need to attach the ground to the RCA's - I think its the metal shielding on the RCA end its self and therefore I would need to ground both RCA ends, but I could be mistaken.

if its on the HU side I will also run a jumper RCA from the HU to the amp - try and isolate the HU or the RCA's as the source.

No idea what to do if its on the amp side... so all suggestions there would help.

Thanks

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:20 pm
by ttocs
pioneer deck............

Ground the outer shield of the rca's temporarily to see if it goes away but I bet it does.

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:50 pm
by Bfowler
^and if that fails. run a new ground wire for your deck and ground it with your amps

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:25 am
by davewaibel
do you have a crossover network that is close to a power cable- the coils can pickup noise quite easily

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:54 pm
by NewOldStock
ttocs wrote:pioneer deck............

Ground the outer shield of the rca's temporarily to see if it goes away but I bet it does.
wire from the RCA end (attached to the silver outer ring) to the screw in the back of the deck?
^and if that fails. run a new ground wire for your deck and ground it with your amps
that will suck, but I can run a temp ground and see if it fixes it...
do you have a crossover network that is close to a power cable- the coils can pickup noise quite easily
No crossover network, just using the x-over in the head unit and the crossovers in the amps.

eD amps if that makes a difference...

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:47 pm
by ttocs
just take a piece of wire and strip a 1/4" or so. Pull the rca connector apart and when you put it together, slide the bare wire inbetween the outer shield to make a connection. Now just touch it to a good ground and see what happens. This is an old known problem with pioneer decks.

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:06 pm
by mr tibbs
ttocs wrote:pioneer deck............

Ground the outer shield of the rca's temporarily to see if it goes away but I bet it does.
My bet is that you are right. I love Pioneer, but this problem has to go away or I will go elsewhere!! :evil:

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:49 am
by NewOldStock
ttocs wrote:pioneer deck............

Ground the outer shield of the rca's temporarily to see if it goes away but I bet it does.
unfortunately that didnt do it... didnt seem to really make any difference at all.

So, I am going to try and run a ground from the deck to the ground block today - if I can get the time. Thankfully my dash is still torn apart so I know we wont be using my pickup to run errands. lol

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:09 pm
by ttocs
I would assume you set yer gain with yer meter like everyone else here :-x ?

Have you tried adjusting the gain to see if it goes away or makes any adjustment?

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:08 pm
by VW337