RSD vs MS amps

[slc72005]

after thinking what you guys have to say about the ti elite sub


the cost of upgrading would be alot more then sticking with the RSD, and it doesnt sound like i would be gainning much by doing so after weighing what was said by you guys

so my next option is to keep the RSD 12 but power it off of a RSD 1200.1 since it puts out 750rms at 4 ohms (i got single VC) or i could swap the RSD 12 for a DVC and give the sub about 1400rms (im going on what zfactor said he benched his at on that figure) and i can set the gsains so that it only gives the sub about 1000rms, that way there is alot of headroom to work with

if i go that route i would also have to get a matching RSD amp to power the ti elite front stage.

what RSD amp would you guys suggest, the 500.4, and bridge it to 2 channels, to run the ti elites up front

if i do this then i would have an ms275, perfectly working, and a blown ms2125 original grey for sale if i went this route


running the RSD set up would be alot cheaper to do.

from what i remember reading about the RSD amps is that they are pretty much on par with the old MS series amp, i think i also remember readding that PG had help from one or more of the MS amp designers in the designing of the RSD amps. correct me if im wrong

running the RSD set up it would be installed as followed

H/U to a TBAT up front to a TBAR in back.

then from TBAR to the AX204 crossover.

from the AX204 crossover lowpass to the RSD 1200.1 then wirred to the RSD 12 sub

from the AX204 highpass to the EQ232

from the EQ232 to the RSD 500.4 then wirred to the Ti Elite crossover then to the mids and tweeters (and yes the tweeters are Ti Elite originals)


in this set up i was thinking about running the AX204 lowpass at about 70hz, and the highpass at about 50hz, so the sub will roll off where the Ti Elite comp set will pick up ( i could be worng on those settings, but after i figure out which route im going ill ask you guys for some proffesional advise as where to exactly set those at after i figure out what the final tunning freq of the box will be)

the Ti Elite mids are sealed up in a little enclosure in the doors and the tweeter is mounted up in the A-pillar bout 2 inches above the dash facing each other.

If i went with the Ti Elite sub, i would just in place of the RSD 1200.1 put in 2 MS2125's bridged to each coil giving the Ti Elite about 1400rms-1500rms (my best guesstimate there) and also just change 2 ms275's with the RSD 500.4

so if i went with the RSD set up it would cost me about $500 for the amps

which im sure i can sell the MS275 and blown MS2125 that i ahve for about $350, so total out of pocket to do the RSD amp's would be about $150 give or take

if i went with the Ti Elite sub i would have to find another MS2125, costing probably about $300, and also get my blown MS2125 fixed which PG flat rate is $140, and then the Ti Elite sub which would cost about $350.giving a grand total of about $800 give or take.


and also that you guys can give me accurate advice here this is what im looking for:

a have given up trying to have the loudest system, so this one is all SQ, but i still like it to be loud too, i really like the way my car sounds now, my only complaint is that i would like the low end to have a little more authority.

I am pretty sure that i can have the low end hit with some more authority with the RSD 12 if i were to tune my box a little bit lower so that there is a peak in the low 20's

the reason im thinking about keeping the RSD sub is everyone said that the gain from going to a Ti Elite sub is the low end authority, but i think the RSD I have can have better low end authority by lowerring the tuning a bit, and also from what you guys have said the RSd 12 will play above 40hz-50hz better then the Ti Elite will (i mean it will be louder in the upper (50hz-70hz bass freq) and from what everyone has said the SQ of both the subs is close to each other.

what you guys think would be the best over-all thing to do, take in account price and what i want the end result to be, mainly if the $800 for the Ti Elite sub set up VS the RSD amp set up, which would cost me about $150 (after selling the MS amps i planned n using) if it would be worth the money to do it, and would the cost differnce be worth the end result int he end.

and do the RSD amps and MS amps have the same SQ qualities to them?

thanks in advance



and just for bdubs....

no im not swapping out the Ti Elite comp set for something else, i really like how they sound since i installed the tweeters in the A-pillars and the front stage is right were i want them to sound so front stage is good to go

[stipud]

Run your front stage and sub off an X200.4. Keep the EQ, sell everything else. Screw the crossover and TBA's. Blam.

If you want it louder, add a second sub, and figure out how to open your trunk up to the cabin better.

[slc72005]

Run your front stage and sub off an X200.4. Keep the EQ, sell everything else. Screw the crossover and TBA's. Blam.


If you want it louder, add a second sub

i like to run 2 amps, i for sub one for highs.


im not really looking for it to be louder the front stage is doing a good taking care of that part, i really like the sound with the way the RSD sub is right now, i dont need another sub back there, looking for hte low end to hit with a little more authority.

i might not be explaining it correctly to you guys, i love the way the RSd sounds and is set up because im not hearing the bass as much as im feeling the bass when it hits, thats why i would like a little more low end authourity

, and figure out how to open your trunk up to the cabin better.

dont need to enough "loudness" comes thru to the cabin

[Bfowler]

for your front stage, i would go with a rsd 300.1 for each side rather than a bridged 500.4

~180watts @ 4ohms

of course, the x200.4 would be more than likely equally as good, and you have the advantage of already owning it...

[stipud]

Don't you already have an X200.4 and X1200.1? Use those, they will yield more power at your impedance.

[Bfowler]

Don't you already have an X200.4 and X1200.1? Use those, they will yield more power at your impedance.

x2 (<--- language that Scott understands)

[stipud]

Also, why use a TBA receiver when your EQ232 is one?

Tbat -> EQ -> Crossover

[1moreamp]

I now own one of his 1200.1's, so he might be shy a xenon or two just right now..
THX SLC

Huck-A-Buck

[slc72005]

Keep the EQ

i lve the EQ232 it makes tuning to how you wnat it to sound so easy, alot easier then tuning was with the TEQ215 i use to have

sell everything else. Screw the crossover and TBA's. Blam.

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the TBA is also used as a line driver as my pioneer avh-5700 doesnt put out 8 volts or anything near it, more like 2 volts.

and the reason i like the AX204 crossover is it allows me to run 1 rca to the rear (whihc isnt a big deal running 2 of them) but it gives me some good flexibiltiy for when i have have people sitting in the rear, that way i have it set up so that i can turn the fade to the front and all im running is the front stage and sub, when i have people in the rear i can set the fade to normal

i know, i know no rear fill, well i dont use it unless there are people in the back and even at that the rear is powered off of the H/U.

[slc72005]

I now own one of his 1200.1's, so he might be shy a xenon or two just right now..
THX SLC

Huck-A-Buck

i still have a brand new x1200.1, x200.4, x400,1, and x100.2

so im not really low on the xenon's, i just dont want to use those, ill be keeping them for a while just like they are, never powered up and still in the box :):)

[slc72005]

Also, why use a TBA receiver when your EQ232 is one?

Tbat -> EQ -> Crossover

2 reasons for that.

1) the transmitter has the old plug on it (the one thats a mouse plug for a computer) and the EQ232 has the rj-45 plug

2) there is no aux output on the EQ 232, well there is a balanced output thou.

if i went with option 2 i would have to convert the tba cable that runs to the rear to have the rj-45 plug on the rear end to plug into the EQ232 and then make another short cable with the rj-45 to plug into the EQ232 and then the old connector (mouse one) to plug into the TBA reciever then rca's from the TBAR to the sub amp.

thats why, there is going to be no audiable differnce if i made all the lines balanced, maybe when i have a few hours and nothing better to do i will do that

also if i went from the EQ232 to the Ax204 the EQ232 would be tuning the sub amp too, i know that i can just leave the lower freq on the EQ232 set at 0, but in reality thats more work to accomplish nothing in the end

[slc72005]

for your front stage, i would go with a rsd 300.1 for each side rather than a bridged 500.4

~180watts @ 4ohms

of course, the x200.4 would be more than likely equally as good, and you have the advantage of already owning it...

isnt the RSD 300.1 a mono block class D? or are the RSD all class a/b?

on PG's website it says that the RSd 300.1 has a freq response of only 10hz-300hz, so wouldnt i be missing a little bit of music tdoing that?

[BH]

I only have 75 watts a side for my Ti Elites. Well the amp is rated at 75 a side @12V and 90 a side @14.4V and I've got plenty of power. Its been a while since I tuned things in that car but I think that I ended up setting it to where 75% of deck volume would yield about 85 watts. And that is PLENTY for this white boy...

[Bfowler]

the 300.1 is a a/b, the other mono blocks are D

although you might have cought me on a point of order becasue you have me wondering if it has a crossover defeat

[slc72005]

I only have 75 watts a side for my Ti Elites. Well the amp is rated at 75 a side @12V and 90 a side @14.4V and I've got plenty of power. Its been a while since I tuned things in that car but I think that I ended up setting it to where 75% of deck volume would yield about 85 watts. And that is PLENTY for this white boy...

i only have a ms275 powerring the zTi Elite comp set and its plenty of power.

the reason i said the 500.4 is because it would give me more then enought headroom and also its the same size as the RSD 1200.1 is (for cosmetic reasons)

[Bfowler]

I only have 75 watts a side for my Ti Elites. Well the amp is rated at 75 a side @12V and 90 a side @14.4V and I've got plenty of power. Its been a while since I tuned things in that car but I think that I ended up setting it to where 75% of deck volume would yield about 85 watts. And that is PLENTY for this white boy...

from the limited time i sat in car, i did notice that you are signifcntly less of a bass head then Scott seems to be

[1moreamp]

I now own one of his 1200.1's, so he might be shy a xenon or two just right now..
THX SLC

Huck-A-Buck

i still have a brand new x1200.1, x200.4, x400,1, and x100.2

so im not really low on the xenon's, i just dont want to use those, ill be keeping them for a while just like they are, never powered up and still in the box :):)

Damn you've been holding out on me

[slc72005]

from the limited time i sat in car, i did notice that you are signifcntly less of a bass head then Scott seems to be

i am a basshead, but not in the lincoln ls, just doenst fit the cars style

but the ms275 does power the ti elites nice:)

thats another reason why i dont want my car to be super loud like my focus was, it always seemed like no matter what i did the bass was over powerring the mids and tweet's

im looking for a more balanced sound,

another reason why if i went with the RSD amps i would go with the RSD 500.4 so that the Ti Elites are getting enough power and stil have a well balanced system

[1moreamp]

Basshead !

[slc72005]

I now own one of his 1200.1's, so he might be shy a xenon or two just right now..
THX SLC

Huck-A-Buck

i still have a brand new x1200.1, x200.4, x400,1, and x100.2

so im not really low on the xenon's, i just dont want to use those, ill be keeping them for a while just like they are, never powered up and still in the box :):)

Damn you've been holding out on me

not really remember is old you my tba and pld1 and stuff a while back

im just getting down to the stuff that i wont get rid of anytime soon, all the other stuff was going to be replaced shortly anyway, and the time came that some of the stuff needed to go, so sold to a few people that had asked me about it

[bdubs767]

and just for bdubs....

no im not swapping out the Ti Elite comp set for something else, i really like how they sound since i installed the tweeters in the A-pillars and the front stage is right were i want them to sound so front stage is good to go

and you could make the biggest of improvements there too

dude, do what tom said x200.4 for everything, if this is nto your basshead install

[VW337]

i still have a brand new x1200.1, x200.4, x400,1, and x100.2

All you need now is an X200.2 and an X600.1..............hey I can help with the latter of the two.

[bdubs767]

i lve the EQ232 it makes tuning to how you wnat it to sound so easy, alot easier then tuning was with the TEQ215 i use to have

how?

[slc72005]

i still have a brand new x1200.1, x200.4, x400,1, and x100.2

All you need now is an X200.2 and an X600.1..............hey I can help with the latter of the two.

if i had the money i would errin, if you stil them in a few months ill get one

[slc72005]

i lve the EQ232 it makes tuning to how you wnat it to sound so easy, alot easier then tuning was with the TEQ215 i use to have

how?

if you remembered from SB i really liked how the loud button sounded but it affected my subs to so i did a smiley face. so know theer is a smoother response like that then with my teq215, but again it could be the way that they are installed now in the lincoln (you know correctly )