Old PG like Ti,Zx,MS series vs The RSd series of today

RSdCrazy · Post by **RSdCrazy** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:34 am

Ok here is my basic question. I have a PG RSd 500.4 and I am wondering would a used PG ZX450V2, or a Titanium 500.4 be better than my current RSd 500.4 . I have read that the Titanium series was on hell of an amp and quiet expensive for its day, But I also know that the RSd series is built very well with great parts.

Opinions wanted

Marcotah · Post by **Marcotah** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:44 am

I've neve used any of them. I'm still with zenons and M's...
But, as I know, RSd Series were designed by the same guy that made the M and MS series amplifiers. All I know about them is that they are pretty solid, reliable, quiet and a bang for the buck amplifier. Personally I don't like the look.
About ZX and ZX Ti amps, I think Old ZX and ZX .V2 are better.
Anyway I should be happy with any of Them.
I will get good aswers here. It has been on focus for a few times.

Post by **Rold Gold** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 am

I'd have to say that the RSd's are nice amps. They make rated power and are reliable. I know that the Ti's had some bells and whistles as far as XO's go but I think they are comparable lines overall.......

RSdCrazy · Post by **RSdCrazy** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:03 am

FuzzyHoNutz wrote:I'd have to say that the RSd's are nice amps. They make rated power and are reliable. I know that the Ti's had some bells and whistles as far as XO's go but I think they are comparable lines overall.......

Thanks guys. I know the RSd line never got the fame they deserved, but I have seen the inside and this line is built very well with great parts its just I heard so much about the older ugly titanium series and how these amps were around 1k when new and some of the best amps ever made, so I thought I would ask some others in the know...

Post by **ttocs** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:11 am

ugly titanium series? Other then the rust issues and the ZPA line I think they were the toughest looking line they came out with. Not as pretty as the ms line with the plexi showing off all the gold but just a tough looking line. Matching them with zero point power line was just like forplay.

I have not hear the new line, nor found out about its reliability to compair to

RSdCrazy · Post by **RSdCrazy** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:19 am

ttocs wrote:ugly titanium series? Other then the rust issues and the ZPA line I think they were the toughest looking line they came out with. Not as pretty as the ms line with the plexi showing off all the gold but just a tough looking line. Matching them with zero point power line was just like forplay.

I have not hear the new line, nor found out about its reliability to compair to

Yes they are kind of ugly, but I would own it without hesitation. As far as the RSd series I have one and I can tell you it holds its own against my Zed Audio (Planet Audio ) Amp. The one thing about the RSd series is the damn build quality. These things are tanks and are heavy . The capacitors and resistors and even power supply look top notch. Great Amplifier. These amps retailed around $400 and the old Ti series was around 1k and I know they sell well on ebay thats why I was asking. If this was the best amp PG ever built and is it worth it for me to buy one off Ebay, but if its no better than my RSd series then there is no need for me to waste the money. I could try one of the new PGs coming out

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:23 am

the ti was a better amp. it used higher end parts, and the crossovers had MUCH more flexibility. it was also fan cooled (which could be argued either way)

the rsd is still a very stout amp, uses similar output stage design. its defiantly a more reliable design. and it may have even higher output voltage then the ti amp. its by no means a sub par amp

The Golden One · Post by **The Golden One** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:27 am

dude just go for the new ti line so you can tell us about how they sound they appear to be both stout and sq geared.

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:27 am

since you touched on price^

its worth noting, the ti's used parts that were higher end, even in 98. those parts were damn expensive, plus the ti's were built in America which kept cost higher comparatively. now that its 10 years later, those same expensive parts are more reasonable. so to build a rsd in asia, with parts fairly close to the ti spec, is much cheaper

RSdCrazy · Post by **RSdCrazy** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:37 am

The Golden One wrote:dude just go for the new ti line so you can tell us about how they sound they appear to be both stout and sq geared.

I seen the list of dealers for the new line so I'm guessing these dealers have stock and I'm also guessing knowbody online has the new amps.
I think I would like to have the new Ti 600.4

The Golden One · Post by **The Golden One** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:49 am

i would really like to hear the new ti's may be even A/B them to some other amps i think they may compare nicely even sq wise.

akwizeguy · Post by **akwizeguy** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:30 am

i thought the zx line was built in the good ole USA, and the titanium zx line was made in asia? i could be wrong?

Killa_Cam · Post by **Killa_Cam** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:32 am

why u calling my amps ugly? haha just messin'.. i think the ti's are sweet to look at(except my zx600, it's rusted to hell, but is powerful)

. only problems i see with my ti's is they are power hungry as hell compared to my xenon and they rust bad. i've never heard an rsd, but i wouldn't hesitate to get one of them "ugly" ass amps haha.

Killa_Cam · Post by **Killa_Cam** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:33 am

ti is american xenons were asian..

The Golden One · Post by **The Golden One** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:38 am

the funny thing is all my beat up paint chipped and rusty amps sound way better than my minty looking amps. i guess if i paint my bad looking amps it would deminish the sound quality so i leave them that way all rusty and beat up.

Killa_Cam · Post by **Killa_Cam** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:42 am

yeah i like my beat up ti better then my mint xenon(xenons are ugly imo lol)..

Grim0013 · Post by **Grim0013** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:00 pm

"FAMOUS PREMIER RSD LINE WITH BEST SOUND QUALITY EVER!"

...as seen on Ebay.

Killa_Cam · Post by **Killa_Cam** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:01 pm

link??

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:11 pm

I like my RSd's. I would not be able to tell the diff from my old Ti's, except on the voltage readout

. i don't mind the looks but for the money I'm ok with them.... 3k Watts RMS for less than a grand including shipping. i would prefer a sundown for the subs but meh thats life.

joyride · Post by **joyride** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:55 pm

The RSD is a very good amp. To be honest, in a car environment I doubt you will be able to tell any difference between the ZX and RSD. You should check out some of Eric's reviws, as they are some of the most comprehensive and un-biased you will ever find. The 450 is one of my favorite amps, because it is pretty much the only amp you really ever need. It produces excellent power, and has an XO that has never been matched. I could have never ran the system I did without that crossover.

That being said, there is still somethin about the effects of emotional design. The ZX was one of the most memorable and best looking amps in the history of car audio. They impressions/style/reputation of the amp can sway the ZX to be the better amp.

dedlyjedly · Post by **dedlyjedly** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:56 pm

The crossover section of the ZX450 is indeed pretty bad ass....BUT ZX4745ti and Ti500.4 crossovers are just as powerful and one might even say better than their predecessor due to a little refinement!

As an installer that handled more than my fair share of those every one of those multi-channel amps all I have to say is push buttons suck!!!

And to the OP...Ugly!?

ZXti and Titanium amps are housed in the sexiest amp case/heatsink PG ever produced...especially in aluminum form. (Joyride was absolutely correct that we all have our favorites and emotion and sentimental value play a major role so take this with a grain of salt!) But even if you don't agree that Ti were the best, RSD amps look like the back of my balls in comparision!

Post by **ttocs** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:45 am

I am not sure about the sexiest, I would say the ZPA's are sexier and have bigger balls but he zx line is certainly a close 2md.

now I thought the original zx line was made in america up to the beginning of the Ti line until they added the last line of amps(475 for examply) was offshore, and didn't use gold boards?

shawn k · Post by **shawn k** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:49 am

"The Fast & Furious" killed amplifier cosmetics!

Post by **Bfowler** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:13 am

tall the zx and ti amps were built in portland. the offshore didnt start till the octane-r

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:27 am

If I was looking for SQ, I would skip right over the ZX/Ti series and I would be looking for some MS or ZPA amps. If I was looking for versatility I would go with a ZX/Ti. If I was after what I thought was attractive I would be looking for a Reactor, 900.7, or a Route 66....those are my favortie amps cosmetically. Which most people say the Reactor is ugly, but I love it.....I think it's the coolest " looking " amp that PG has produced to date.