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guys , i came across this filter from Audiocontrol.

http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/product.a ... t_Id=14165

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_150 ... HITE-.html

it seems to be a bass processor on top of being a bass para Eq like the bass cube.
anyone used this before ?how does it perform compared to the BASS CUBE in real install ?



just looking into fine tuning the bass a litte ...
(and fill up those boring moments )

The marketing is horrible. One of the "Key Features" is "Cool, Flashing THE EPICENTER® Logo".

Yes, very key.

Anyways, I've read a little bit about EPICENTER vs BassCube but I don't remember any of the conclusions.

i've used a epicenter before back in the early 90's with a ppi art amp on some kicker comp (with the gold kicker writing LOL ) and had no complaints

I can sell ya one if you want to find out what it is


If your fine tuning use a Bass cube its tunable at least, the epi is pretty much preset on some things and adjustable on others.

The Epicenter is a low frequency generator. Back in the days of records no frequencies below 60Hz were recorded because they took up to much space on the record, hence, the epicenter was born. It takes what info is already there, adds a bottom octave to it, and sends the signal back out.

How much truth does that hold towards playing music through your iPod and cutting frequencies?

AVICJR wrote:How much truth does that hold towards playing music through your iPod and cutting frequencies?

I suppose if you could put a scope up to the output of your iPod, you could measure it...

Something tells me that the iPod isn't cutting everything below 60Hz though because I run one in my car (although, I have to admit, it's connected digitally, not with the 1/4" jack) and I hear stuff well below 60Hz.

AVICJR wrote:How much truth does that hold towards playing music through your iPod and cutting frequencies?

The iPod should be full range, and I don't think the epicenter cuts frequencies, only adds them

I don't think the epicenter cuts frequencies, only adds them

Exactly now you get the picture, It makes up bass that is not there to begin with. Its a rumble adder thats just about all that it does, add rumble to where good clean solid bass should be.

For todays music system, an epicenter is not needed.

If you've ever played with home audio any most recievers have what's called "Phono input". If you listen to a CD thru this input and then listen thru another input such as "CD input", you'll notice how much cleaner the "CD input" is. It's because most recievers come with built in epicenter like eq settings for the "phono input"

PG had a "top secret" basscube PDF on the FAQ site. That explains the basic function of why the BQ is better than the epicenter.

found it...

ftp://anonymous:anonymous@207.109.65.13 ... ecrets.pdf

I currently run a first generation (no flashing logo) EpiCentre. It is an awesome processor, regardless of source - FM, Sirius, CD or iPod. I can control it through an LPL pot in the dash. As mentioned, it regenerates harmonic frequencies below 60Hz. At lower volumes (conversational), it allows you to enhance them low notes resulting in a more robust sound. I would never have purchased one, but it came with my car. Hand built in the USA. Recommended. You will hear many tracks for the first time again.

I'm providing about 9V of audio through an AC Four.1i Eq/Line Driver, another outstanding product, BTW.

I have a NIB EpiCenter ($126.00 USD shipped, Ebay a few weeks ago) for my next install. But I have also 3 Bass Cubes "in stock" now too. I will build so that I can swap them and hear the difference myself.

PG FTP is down right now. I can't get that document right now. If the BassCube can perform "better" than an EpiCenter, I'm in for a "Holy crap, Batman" day.

AVICJR wrote:How much truth does that hold towards playing music through your iPod and cutting frequencies?

It may not so much be the iPod itself cutting frequecies but more importantly the bitrate at which all the music has been ripped at. Lower bitrate rips tend to drop off the lower end.

lopezi wrote:

AVICJR wrote:How much truth does that hold towards playing music through your iPod and cutting frequencies?

It may not so much be the iPod itself cutting frequecies but more importantly the bitrate at which all the music has been ripped at. Lower bitrate rips tend to drop off the lower end.

Damn, beat me to it. It's the fact that the tracks on the Ipod are in mp3 format and have been "condensed" rather than the bass is not there. It is an interesting question though, I wonder if a Epicenter can make up for the "cutting off" of the lower frequencies due to mp3 compression??

the epicenter is a bass restoration devise and the newer model lets you
adjust what freq and the q of the boost..

it works well with older 80 and 90s music or any music that doenst have alot of low end fundementals, hence the days of records.

since records only had so much room on them the music idustry removed alot of the lower frequencies to save space(thelower the freq the more
wider the groove on the record.)

nowa days of digital music is recorded with more depth and may not
benifit with an ecpicenter but
if you play some

bob marley use it....shit rocks...

aloha

so an epicenter would reconstruct the missing bass in older records and heavily compressed music .....

Though no compressed music could come close to the fidelity offered by a proper cd, i found music compressed at 192 kbps sounds quite good. Anything less then that , to me sounds very coloured and looses so much in the bass department.
So i guess that's where an epicenter would be helpful in restoring the lost bass.

it would be kindda sweet though listening back to those 80s and 90s with a little bit more added bass wouldnt it....

yeah^^^^^^^^^^^^^

if you play with it and get the freq and q right it will really help

you in some of the music..

i listen to the fixx with my epicenter and it really adds impact to the

drums.. but if you add alot of boost then it just sounds like

bass music..

its not a bad piece of equipment to have on tap.

but alot of so called music freaks would not like the added bass.

i like it and used to run it alot when i was in my roots reggae stage..

but agian if you can find one cheap then put it in and use it when you feel you need some lower end kick..

in my partners car we actually used it on his midbass drivers in his door.

adjusted the freq up higher and it really did make a difference

but now he uses two bass cubes..

I finally purchased my Epi, earlier this year, after wanting one for years, decided it was finally time to splurg, man do I wish I had bought one sooner. It really is like listening to the same song for the first time.

It works especially well on lower bit rate rips, but have found that it helps even higher bitrate or .cda/.wav files as well. Used with some discretion, as in not cranking it and only using about 10 to 15% or so, can make the music sound more full and have that bottom end that always sounded like it was missing, for times when you just want stupid amounts of bass, going a little higher can bring a smile to your face.