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Hi, I tried searching and searching but to no avail -- I would like to know what these new standards entail? At what voltage do they rate their power at... I remember when PG rated their power output at 12V which to me is great because that is usually what my systems end up playing at. Then later, PG rated their power outputs @ 14.4 V -- yet they produced the same power as the previous generation that rated @ 12V.

PG rates the RSD 500.4 at 4 x 78 WRMS @ 4 ohms-- yet this amp is larger and heavier than the old XENON 100.4 that is rated at 4 x 100 WRMS @ 4 ohms.

This also goes for the component sets that are only rated a handling rating of 60W rms while the previous XENON components handled 150WRMS each (if im not mistaken)?

Is the RSD lineup more powerful than the Xenon lineup? Is it because of the new rating system.

Also does the RSD amp lineup use the triple-darlington-output?

And my final question is, why donesn't PG ever line up their power outputs of their amps to the power handling ratings of their speakers?
I think only the octane series lined up.

Thanks

Confused one

Welcome to the forum. I can't tell you too much about the CEA ratings, but i can tell you for certain that the rsd amps do indeed use the triple darlington output stage and and the the rsd components can handle well over 60 watts of power.


i have a feeling the odd power rating of the xenon 2 and 4 channels has to do with the X-load. the didn't make more power when you ran lower loads on them, where as the rsd's do make a bit more power when ran bridged.

IM sure a more technical member will be along soon to give you a better answer then i can on the ratings.

as far as why they don't seem to match their speakers power ratings to their amplifiers power (which bugs me to no end also) the answer is....... because their marketing department is retarded.

^that is a technical answer

Xenon more pwoerful @ 4 ohms

Rsd more powerful @ 2ohms


RSd uses triple darlington



Think of the RSd as a xenon w/o all the features and makes full power @ 2ohms instead of 4 ohms.




With that said id take a xenon over rsd any day of the week. Just the way I'd go. ALSO WELCOME TO OUR LITTLE WORLD.

Welcome to the forum. I heard the RSD's for the first time today in a buddy's car. They sounded nice. Haven't ever heard Xenon's.

I know, not very helpful. Just wanted to say hi and welcome...

Xenon uses triple Darlington also, its sort of a hallmark of PG.

I use the xenon's and I like them. I run 4 ohms so I get max power at a realistic ohm load.
If you need 4 trillion watts then, buy 4 trillion watts at 4 ohms load, don't try to make the amp cheat to give you what your looking for. Your amp will live longer not being driven hard at 200 miles per hour to deliver you the enjoyment level your looking for. Just a FYI....C

I run a X200.4 and love it, and so do the three cars surrounding my truck at a light here in Cali.

Oh its pretty doubtful that you will find a bad sounding PG product, there money is made by SQ and power so I would tend to think they will not sell crappy sounding amps...C

Thanks for the welcome...

Anyways, I did just buy the 500.4 RSD amp, and it didn't come with a birth sheet. Did anyone else get a birth sheet?

I already have the 100.4 Xenon amp with a set of x6.5 components and x5.0 components that sound OK. I was wondering if my new RSD setup will sound better. (I also bought 2 RSD 5.0 component sets)

I believe the general consensus here is that the RSd components sound better than the Xenon components but that's obviously subjective.

The RSds have great midbass but are a bit soft on the mids. The highs are good.

I haven't heard the RSD 5.0 components, but I can definitly say the 6.5 inch components are awesome. I can't believe the midbass and sound quality for the price. I think the midbass is as good as Keith's MB Quarts, and I like the tweets better (the Quarts sound very tinny to me).

Once again though, it is of course subjective.

bdubs767 wrote:Xenon more pwoerful @ 4 ohms

Rsd more powerful @ 2ohms


RSd uses triple darlington



Think of the RSd as a xenon w/o all the features and makes full power @ 2ohms instead of 4 ohms.




With that said id take a xenon over rsd any day of the week. Just the way I'd go. ALSO WELCOME TO OUR LITTLE WORLD.

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U said that their like the XENON just with out all the features & full power @ lower impendence ?

But do u (or anybody else) knows if their using “Sanken” (bi-polar) out put devices like the Xenon does?

(Referring to RSD vs. Xenon Class A/B amps only)

I guess what I’m getting at… is that I heard that compared to the Xenon Line up these RSD amps are just middle grade quality. But when they produced the RDS line up. They was supposed to be the high end line…

So if they don’t quite stack up to the Xenon, what I’m hoping for is that they didn’t chip away off a little of the sound quality as compared to the xenon line?

epcenter5hz wrote: So if they don’t quite stack up to the Xenon, what I’m hoping for is that they didn’t chip away off a little of the sound quality as compared to the xenon line?

welocme to the forum

i have had listening experience with both the RSD 5oo.4 and the X200.4 and i think the Rsd line up did loose a small amount of the sound quality that the Xenon amps have. with that being said the Rsd's are very good amps for the price and have excellent power output as well.

my rsd250.2( 2-ch version of 500.4) and a pair of rsd65cs ...was sweet.....