Octane R problems?

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:19 pm

I just brought a pair of 10" octane r's 500 watts each, bassworks sub box, and a 200watt octane r amp.
And they don't seem to sound like subwoofers. They give off more bass but it seems like some vocals too, or maybe its my back speakers but one of my buddys have MTX's and they out do mine but alot and his are only 300 watts.
I did the setup myself so I was wondering if anyone knows if theres something wrong.

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:21 pm

What are your crossover points? Disconnect the back speakers to find the problem(s) by process of elimination.

Post by **Bfowler** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:27 pm

sounds like the lp crossovers isn't on or working properly

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:31 pm

AVICJR wrote:What are your crossover points? Disconnect the back speakers to find the problem(s) by process of elimination.

What do you mean by my crossover points, sorry I am a complete newbie at this, first setup ever done everything is wired really tightly and clean, thats all I know really.

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:36 pm

Your LP or low pass crossover point. Is what filters or limits what signal reach the speakers. Let's start with this: what exact model # amp do you have? Once we establish this then we (phorum members) will help walk you through this process of setting points and gains.

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:38 pm

AVICJR wrote:Your LP or low pass crossover point. Is what filters or limits what signal reach the speakers. Let's start with this: what exact model # amp do you have? Once we establish this then we (phorum members) will help walk you through this process of setting points and gains.

I have a OCTANE-R 2.0:1 amp 200watts

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:48 pm

No other processors in line with amp? No crossover (xover) on the head unit? If so then- Make sure the crossover configuration switch is set to LP look at this manual for the pic. Turn the xover frequency dial up or down to about 10 to 11 o'clock. See if this helps any.

http://download.phoenixphorum.com/Manua ... Manual.pdf

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:02 pm

AVICJR wrote:No other processors in line with amp? No crossover (xover) on the head unit? If so then- Make sure the crossover configuration switch is set to LP look at this manual for the pic. Turn the xover frequency dial up or down to about 10 to 11 o'clock. See if this helps any.

http://download.phoenixphorum.com/Manua ... /R2.0.1_Ma
nual.pdf

Still don't work

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:18 pm

What impedance are your subs? Single voice coil or dual voice coil? Can you use this chart to assure you are running the amp into a 2 OHM load?

http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/wiringtutorial.html

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:21 pm

http://www.phoenixgold.com/2004/wiringtutorial.html
is mine a 2ohm or 4ohm?
I'm not sure.
And from the diagram it shows that the 2 subs are bridge into 1 wire and into the amp is that what I need to do? Because my amp has 2+ ports and 2- ports for output or what ever and I wired 1 sub to each so thats a total of 2, so should i be bridging them into one?

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:35 pm

How many voice coils do your subs have? Single or dual voice coils? What are the exact model # of subs? 10d or just 10?

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:40 pm

the modeel of the sub is 10/10d thats what it says on the box?
it also says 4ohms.

and btw

And from the diagram it shows that the 2 subs are bridge into 1 wire and into the amp is that what I need to do? Because my amp has 2+ ports and 2- ports for output or what ever and I wired 1 sub to each so thats a total of 2, so should i be bridging them into one?

Post by **AVICJR** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:46 pm

I'm not familiar with the Octane subs. That's what I'm asking you how many voice coils do your subs have? Look at the pictures to determine EXACTLY which one's you have 10 or 10d.

http://download.phoenixphorum.com/Manua ... manual.pdf

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:55 pm

i cant tell which one it is

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:23 pm

i think its a duel voice code

dedlyjedly · Post by **dedlyjedly** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:35 am

The print on the box says both 10 & 10d, but there should be a sticker somewhere on the box that specifies which version it is.

Regardless of which subs you have that amp is pretty small for a pair of them and is playing a big part in the limited output you're experiencing. It's irrelevant that your subs are more powerful than your buddy's if you're only providing them 100 watts each. It doesn't matter if you leave the speaker wires like you have them or "bridge" them because the terminals are paralleled together inside the amp anyways.

You'll likely get much better results using that amp to only power one of your subs, but there is a few things we have to determine. First, whether they're single or dual voice coil (10 or 10d). Second, is your box sealed or ported?

Post by **Bfowler** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:50 am

regardless of your VC config, i think we need to figure out at this point why your ar still getting hoghpass signal through them

there is a switch on the same side of your amp as the RCA's go into. that should be set in the middle.

once we get "bass" coming from your speakers we will be in much better shape.

at this point, the only way to figure out which sub you have (10 or 10d) is to take it out of the box and look.

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:20 am

dedlyjedly wrote:The print on the box says both 10 & 10d, but there should be a sticker somewhere on the box that specifies which version it is.

Regardless of which subs you have that amp is pretty small for a pair of them and is playing a big part in the limited output you're experiencing. It's irrelevant that your subs are more powerful than your buddy's if you're only providing them 100 watts each. It doesn't matter if you leave the speaker wires like you have them or "bridge" them because the terminals are paralleled together inside the amp anyways.

You'll likely get much better results using that amp to only power one of your subs, but there is a few things we have to determine. First, whether they're single or dual voice coil (10 or 10d). Second, is your box sealed or ported?

My box is sealed and i'm getting a ported box, and btw can someone exp-lani the difference, and also my other buddy has the same set up i do and he seems to be running it better then i am.

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:23 am

regardless of your VC config, i think we need to figure out at this point why your ar still getting hoghpass signal through them

there is a switch on the same side of your amp as the RCA's go into. that should be set in the middle.

No other processors in line with amp? No crossover (xover) on the head unit? If so then- Make sure the crossover configuration switch is set to LP look at this manual for the pic. Turn the xover frequency dial up or down to about 10 to 11 o'clock. See if this helps any.

I think i went through that with that other guy maybe?
not sure i am a totaly newbie

Post by **Bfowler** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:54 am

sorry, didnt see the part about the lp switch. i only saw the freqency dial.

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:28 pm

Bfowler wrote:sorry, didnt see the part about the lp switch. i only saw the freqency dial.

ok so i think i did everything everyone said on the thred.
any more suggjestions?

dedlyjedly · Post by **dedlyjedly** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:51 pm

dedlyjedly wrote:The print on the box says 10/10d, but there should be a sticker somewhere on the box that specifies which version it is.

did you look for this sticker?

did you ever determine whether the voices were coming from your rear speakers or the subs? you can try fading the cd player to the front to get a better idea. if it is coming from the subs, and the switch mentioned above is in the center position, then turn the xover frequency know counter clockwise until the voices disappear.

as for the amount of volume you're getting, try one quick thing for me. try disconnecting the negative speaker wire at ONE of the terminals on the box. does this improve the amount of output drastically?

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:42 pm

dedlyjedly wrote:
dedlyjedly wrote:The print on the box says 10/10d, but there should be a sticker somewhere on the box that specifies which version it is.
did you look for this sticker?

did you ever determine whether the voices were coming from your rear speakers or the subs? you can try fading the cd player to the front to get a better idea. if it is coming from the subs, and the switch mentioned above is in the center position, then turn the xover frequency know counter clockwise until the voices disappear.

as for the amount of volume you're getting, try one quick thing for me. try disconnecting the negative speaker wire at ONE of the terminals on the box. does this improve the amount of output drastically?

There are no sticker on the box that determines the model of it.
and I faded the sound to the front and there is some vocals through the sub, pretty clearly if you pay attention to it.

dc2loco · Post by **dc2loco** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:37 am

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:40 am

thats no good.....if your amp crossovers are set the way you say...i can't think why that would be happening.

i think its time to unscrew your subs and post some pics of your sub's wiring and a pic of your amp's crossover settings