Phoenix Gold Phorum

2 quick questions:

1. I have a Route 66 and the M44 section output stage is blown. Recommendations for a good shop in San Diego (preferably North County/Escondido) that can troubleshoot and repair?

2. My plan (if amp can be fixed) is to run components off the M25 section of the Route 66 with input from the high outputs of my 215x and then run one sub each off the M44 section bridged as seperate mono channels from the sub output on the 215x. (Essentially run the M44 section as two bridged mono channels.) Crossover is 24db/octave @ 90hz from 215x - if I set the HP crossover for the front channels on the RT66 at 0 and the sub LP x-over at 175 will this work? Or will it mess up the x-over frequency since it is getting cut at 90 from the 215x and then goes through the internal amp x-over at 175 for the sub output? The "front" channels should be fine acting as a bridged mono LP, it is the sub outputs I'm concerned with as I don't know the physics behind what happens when the signal is run through two active x-overs.

Thanks guys - it would be nice to get this amp fixed (or buy another that works - this is the first and last time I buy an amp on eBay). It fits perfect as I have an area 13" x 26.25" in the front boot, like it was made for this amp LOL.

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brutux wrote:2 quick questions:

1. I have a Route 66 and the M44 section output stage is blown. Recommendations for a good shop in San Diego (preferably North County/Escondido) that can troubleshoot and repair?

2. My plan (if amp can be fixed) is to run components off the M25 section of the Route 66 with input from the high outputs of my 215x and then run one sub each off the M44 section bridged as seperate mono channels from the sub output on the 215x. (Essentially run the M44 section as two bridged mono channels.) Crossover is 24db/octave @ 90hz from 215x - if I set the HP crossover for the front channels on the RT66 at 0 and the sub LP x-over at 175 will this work? Or will it mess up the x-over frequency since it is getting cut at 90 from the 215x and then goes through the internal amp x-over at 175 for the sub output? The "front" channels should be fine acting as a bridged mono LP, it is the sub outputs I'm concerned with as I don't know the physics behind what happens when the signal is run through two active x-overs.

Thanks guys - it would be nice to get this amp fixed (or buy another that works - this is the first and last time I buy an amp on eBay). It fits perfect as I have an area 13" x 26.25" in the front boot, like it was made for this amp LOL.

mastiff, was that necessary? we don't need to go around calling all the new posters noobs

it should be fine and just increase the slope. (not sure how the math works, but more then 24db an octave)

also, one member "onemoreamp" has a shop in the bay area. that's the only semi-local to you shop i know of. he has done work for quite a few of us on the board

Bfowler wrote:

mastiff, was that necessary? we don't need to go around calling all the new posters noobs

OMG relax go do something usefull like bother Errin.

I'm doing that too! i just threw a box at his head over the cube wall!
I can multitask!

brutix: here is a paint drawing of what I'm fairly certain will happen to your response to say welcome. yeah....don't pull out the ms paint for just anyone

Bfowler wrote:mastiff, was that necessary? we don't need to go around calling all the new posters noobs

No worries! Noob is kind of funny considering I'm only getting back into car audio after a 13 or 14 year break, LOL.

Thanks for the x-over info Bfowler. I'm really looking for a local shop so I don't have to ship it off - this amp is in rough shape and the 66 was always a little anemic to begin with. Not my favorite PG amp, but the only one that will fit for the install I have planned.

HA! take that

Bfowler wrote:brutix: here is a paint drawing of what I'm fairly certain will happen to your response to say welcome. yeah....don't pull out the ms paint for just anyone

Thanks - so one sub will simply roll off the high end a little more quickly than the other. Both mono and firing into the HVAC system of the car so it shouldn't make a difference for my application.

Welcome to the phorum mang. Now get that knife out of the socket

Francious70 wrote:Welcome to the phorum mang. Now get that knife out of the socket

That's me trying to figure out electricity after spending too much time at the Dampkring.

brutux wrote:

Bfowler wrote:brutix: here is a paint drawing of what I'm fairly certain will happen to your response to say welcome. yeah....don't pull out the ms paint for just anyone

Thanks - so one sub will simply roll off the high end a little more quickly than the other. Both mono and firing into the HVAC system of the car so it shouldn't make a difference for my application.

right so the signal that is still left after the 90hz crossover will be cut again at 175, resulting in even an sharper slope after 90.

brutux wrote:2 quick questions:

1. I have a Route 66 and the M44 section output stage is blown. Recommendations for a good shop in San Diego (preferably North County/Escondido) that can troubleshoot and repair?

2. My plan (if amp can be fixed) is to run components off the M25 section of the Route 66 with input from the high outputs of my 215x and then run one sub each off the M44 section bridged as seperate mono channels from the sub output on the 215x. (Essentially run the M44 section as two bridged mono channels.) Crossover is 24db/octave @ 90hz from 215x - if I set the HP crossover for the front channels on the RT66 at 0 and the sub LP x-over at 175 will this work? Or will it mess up the x-over frequency since it is getting cut at 90 from the 215x and then goes through the internal amp x-over at 175 for the sub output? The "front" channels should be fine acting as a bridged mono LP, it is the sub outputs I'm concerned with as I don't know the physics behind what happens when the signal is run through two active x-overs.

Thanks guys - it would be nice to get this amp fixed (or buy another that works - this is the first and last time I buy an amp on eBay). It fits perfect as I have an area 13" x 26.25" in the front boot, like it was made for this amp LOL.

My new friend you live within safe shipping distance of PG and there very reasonable repair services located in rainy as hell Oregon. I suggest with your location you please consider them the absolute closest proper repair center for you amp.
They can be contacted by web searching RODIN < their new name. They still gladly service these amps and may have those spacial parts like connectors and such that are rare as hens teeth nowadays.

I also have experience but as far as I am away from you <the SF bay area> you should go the extra 500 miles or so and get it to PG directly. Even I have shipped to them without issue over the years from my local, and they do a pretty OK job of repair work.
I am on Hiatus while I sort out some health issues so PG is the only close , qualified PG tech you will find, other than Doc and he is in Michigan if my memory is on par today.

Welcome aboard, and I hope your amp gets the care its and you deserve as loyal PG fanatics like the rest of us here in our little piece of heaven on the Ethernet.....C


PS there is ONE person near you that has talent and reputation that I can promote without guilt of any kind, and that is Steve Mantz of ZED audio, Simi Valley CA.. He has been in this business as long as I have been so hes a good local bet for you. Here is his info....

Stephen Mantz
Zed Audio

(805) 526-5315 PST

Great info 1moreamp; I wasn't sure PG would still work on them. Heck, I wasn't even sure if PG was still in business for a while. I "grew up" in the MS and M series days and when I found PG online recently I was saying "WTF happened to PG?!?! This can't be the same company!" I would like to get this amp fixed properly; I take care of my gear (have a closet full of old PG stuff - like everyone on here it seems) and was floored by the crappy condition of this amp when I got it.

Glad to be of help....C

feel free to PM me if you wish or need more info...

brutux wrote: (have a closet full of old PG stuff - like everyone on here it seems).

NICE!!

I like this kind of music

Feel free to share with us what goodies you have !!

yeah, pix, we want pix or .... ban (is it) j/k

Pedi wrote:Feel free to share with us what goodies you have !!

I like your avatar - reminds me of an ex g/f for some reason. I'll have to dig through the closet, but from what I can recall:

- Route 66
- Outlaw
- Frank
- Son of Frank
- MS 275
- EQ 215x
- Cyclone
- Zero Point 5's
- Some other assorted x-overs, speakers, subs, interconnects, etc; can't remember models but all older stuff.

I know - this thread is useless without pics. I'll take some tomorrow and post up a couple along with my current car that has given me the itch to do an install again...

nice collection! anyway when you get some pics...post them here!
http://phoenixphorum.com/let-s-see-your ... t3194.html


And dont feel bad about how big/small your collection may be....Cuz when you see some of these guy's collection...you'll be like omg.....

Like me...hehe

brutux wrote:

Pedi wrote:Feel free to share with us what goodies you have !!

- Route 66
- Outlaw
- Frank
- Son of Frank
- MS 275
- EQ 215x
- Cyclone
- Zero Point 5's
- Some other assorted x-overs, speakers, subs, interconnects, etc; can't remember models but all older stuff.

I know - this thread is useless without pics. I'll take some tomorrow and post up a couple along with my current car that has given me the itch to do an install again...

My, My, you were a serious sound person, now weren't you ???
I think you have found your home here with us, your collection count of nice things definitely places you firmly with us here. Heck you have more than me

yep you've come to the right place man

enjoy your stay
and pix, pix, pix

itchnertamatoa wrote:yeah, pix, we want pix or ....

I'll post more in the correct threads and when I get further along with the install. Getting the 66 fixed is the cornerstone to finishing up the install in my 348. Again, thanks everyone for all the help!

shit son....how do you have a collection like that and just now found this place!

thats sweet

Bfowler wrote:shit son....how do you have a collection like that and just now found this place!

thats sweet

Been busy the past decade or so... looking forward to putting some of this equipment to use.

lol, it happens. so for the sake of us mods and admin getting our name out there, how did you find us? search terms used?

Bfowler wrote:how did you find us?

I was on eBay trying to locate the seller who sold me the bum 66 and I found a listing that had a link to the archives in this forum for some technical specs.