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Hi all, I've only just found the forum, can't believe theres a dedicated PG board!!
My first (definately not last) question is, what is the general opinion of the PG Xenon X10D2 10" Sub? I've been running a cheap 15" but want more SQ to match my Ti6's upfront. I like the look of the Xenon, is it any good? Would you recommend any other 10" sub? If its good, what is the recommended amp to match it? and also, what amp would you use to power the Ti6's? Im powering them with a kenwood at 150W RMS a side, to be safe, but I fancy getting 250 / 300 through them, and was looking at the Ti600.2?

Thanks in advance,
Matt

Welcome!

its great sub! i ran one for a long time. the problem is blending it. it has practically NO output above 60hz

i have ti 6's up front also running off a xenon 200.2. the drivers are in an almost sealed baffle with gobs of sound deadening. and even then i have a gap in my midbass.

you will listen to one song that sound amazing..and then another that sounds like it has no bassline at all.


i was powering it off a xenon 600.1


I would actually reccomend a rsd10 over it. it isn't quite as smooth or crushing in the very low end...but its close, and blends much better.

it will sound great on as little as 200 watts, but you can throw well over 600 to it.

Thanks for the quick reply, I'll give the RSD a look in. Whats your opinion on the 600.2? Am I right in thinking the comps can handle 300W RMS per side? I just fancy giving them more power if possible.

The Ti600.2 delivers 600 watts into a four ohm mono or two ohm stereo loads. On a set of Ti elite components you're only going to get 150x2 rms. That said, even without increasing the power to deliver to your components I'd still recommend the Ti600.2 over a Kenwood amp for your components.

What are you currently running for a sub amp? What kenwood amp do you have and how much is it rated to output when bridged?

the kenwood is a KAC-PS621. I had it bridged, running 150W RMS x 2 @ 4 ohms. My main ideas for change are that I have a new car, and more money to play with, so cash isn't a major concern. I'm running an Alpine IDA-X001, and what to get the TiEQ215 in there if I can find one. So I'm after a smallish sub, 10" preferably and the optimum amp to power this, and also whatever amp is optimal to run the Ti6s. I've been reading about the RSD10, but I'm going to have a measure up for a 12, as the opinions on here seem to favour it more than the 10? So basically, suggest to me and amp for my Ti Comps, a small sub and amp. Go wild!! (But not silly . .)
Thanks again,
Matt

I also use Xenon 200.2 on my TI elite 6's up front! It's a good solid amp

the ti600.2 is quite a beast of an amp. much more headroom the the kenwood. i would run that to your Ti's in the front.

for the sub. the rsd12 is a champ, but needs a pretty decent sized box (40 - 45 cubic liters)

the rsd 10 no bad by any means. it just doesn't move as much air as the 12. and only needs a box about 1/2 of that.

the kenwood you already have would do a great job of power either of them, but if you found a matching ti amp (ti400.2 or 600.2....or even a 800.1 if you are wanting some serious shaking) you would get the use of the LPL remote bass knob.

right, so the best setup will be, 600.2 to the fronts, RSD12 / 10 and Ti800.1 to the rear. Just to confirm, the 600.2 wouldn't be overpowerful for the front speakers would it?
Thanks again guys,
Matt

Sounds good. If you're going to power the sub with a Ti800.1 you might as well upgrade to the RSD competition 12" too!

Competition? Haven't seen those, I'll give them a look in, it never seems to end!! My main concern is space in this install, so I'll measure up and see which is best size wise, is there a competition 10" too?
Cheers
Matt

Yep.

http://www.rodinaudio.com/pgMobile/featured.php

Finding the RSD comp in the UK will probably be very difficult

stipud wrote:Yep.

http://www.rodinaudio.com/pgMobile/featured.php

wow...i didnt know they could make that 12 any uglier...i would stick with the plain jane rsd 12 is it was me....


but if you want a great steal and a real performer you should check out that round solo 15 im trying to get rid of....cant beat that sub with a bat

theburb wrote: but if you want a great steal and a real performer you should check out that round solo 15 im trying to get rid of....cant beat that sub with a bat

I think he mentioned size being a large concern between 10" and 12". If so, I doubt he's considering a 15".

yeah 15" is too big. I'm after a nice small install this time. I need all your help yet again. The more I look into it all the more I am at a loss, I've been out of the game too long!! I've started looking at the JL 10W7, but the ohm situation is beginning to confuse me, with my comps too. For example, I've been looking at the Ti600.2 to power my Ti6's, but this amp is 300W RMS x 2 @ 2ohm load. If I wanted to put 300W RMS through the comps, would it not need to be 4ohm? Whats the difference? and what is it with subs that are 4 +4 and 2 + 2 Voice coils? I'm seriously beginning to lose it!!
Thanks,
Matt

ever given hertz a thougth ? they can work in very small enclosures

Right, after hearing all your good words, I think the RSD10 is the boy. Unfortunately in the UK as said, no chance of an RSD10c. So next question, what amp would you use to power the beast? was looking at the Ti's but in the UK they seem overpriced, any of the xenon range ideal? Or any other brand amps? optimum performance required, not really bothered by cost, though $400 - 500 would be ideal.

Cheers
Matt

Xenon range is great... an X200.4 would run your whole setup with ease.

the Xenon amps are actually my favorite line of amps. they are electronicly superior to the Ti's in most aspects.

the 200.4 sounds like exactly what you need.

you say the 200.4 would run my whole setup, is that including my Ti Comps? Or would I be able to just use a 200.2 for the sub?
Cheers

the 200.4 is a true 200 X 4 amp.

so you would wuld be getting 200 a side to the fronts and 400 watts to the rsd10.

if you wanted a xenon amp for just the sub, the 400.1 or 600.1 would power the sub more efficantly then the 200.2 and cost less (for the 400.1)

the X200.4 would run comps and sub in one nice little, er well not little package.

I'm just looking at amps available, I'm struggling to get the xenon's over here, but new, I can get a 200.2, 400.1, and 600.1. so would I be best with a 200.2 for the comps, and which would you say for the sub out of 400 / 600?? Also, if the amps for comps and sub are going in the rear, would I be best with a single or twin power cables, and what gauge would you recommend?

MattCraneCustoms wrote:I'm just looking at amps available, I'm struggling to get the xenon's over here, but new, I can get a 200.2, 400.1, and 600.1. so would I be best with a 200.2 for the comps, and which would you say for the sub out of 400 / 600?? Also, if the amps for comps and sub are going in the rear, would I be best with a single or twin power cables, and what gauge would you recommend?

yes, the 200.2 for the comps.
either the 400.1 or 600.1 will do a fabulous job on the rsd10. the 600.1 is fan cooled and will provided a little more control for the sub. but if the budget for it isn't available, the 400.1 is still a great match for the rsd.

you will need twin runs of 4awg for the 200.2 and 600.1. the 400.1 can get away with 8awg if you are running it at 4ohms (which you would be)

but since you are already buying lengths of 4awg...you might as well get both amps the 4awg.

you could also run 2awg to a distribution block and then 4awg out of that...but that would be more expensive and not really neccicary

excellent! Thank you ever so much for your advice. So once more to clarify:

Ti6 Comps - Xenon 200.2, will provide 200W RMS per channel, this will be 4ohm?

RSD10 - Xenon 600.1, will provide 600W RMS, is this safe? Depending on how powerful the RSD10 is, I might upgrade to 2.

Thanks again