Just purchased... TLD-22

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:51 pm

I haven't installed it yet but I'm already a little disappointed...

Now before you jump all over my case, let it be known that I love PG, but why in the world would they design a product like this without including any way to mount it to a surface in some form or another? I mean what where they thinking???

Just what I want, a heavy block of metal swinging and sliding around scratching the heck out of my spendy equipment.

I really am at a loss here..

Post by **smgreen20** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:06 pm

It's ment for under dash, or in dash, mounting. Zip tie it to something if you can. Two way tape, or hot glue gun it.

I don't know why they wouldn't make a mounting hole or 2 for it either.

trckydve · Post by **trckydve** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:14 pm

Tcguy85 · Post by **Tcguy85** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:14 pm

use some velcro. the line driver works perfect. i have one laying around from a prior install. it worked awesome when i was using it.

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:53 pm

Yes, I realize most of the time it's used for a behind dash application but that's not where it's going in my case.

At this point I plan on using zip ties to hold it down in some way but I'm still not quite sure how. Unfortunately, double sided adhesive or velcro will eventually come loose in extreme temperatures, and since it's going to be used in my trunk, the risk of it coming loose is too high.

I'm still thinking about bending down two of the four U shaped clamps that hold the lid on, and fasten it to the surface using those, but I'm not even sure if I'm going to keep the thing so at this point I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

Tcguy85 · Post by **Tcguy85** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:57 pm

mrblack wrote:Yes, I realize most of the time it's used for a behind dash application but that's not where it's going in my case.

At this point I plan on using zip ties to hold it down in some way but I'm still not quite sure how. Unfortunately, double sided adhesive or velcro will eventually come loose in extreme temperatures, and since it's going to be used in my trunk, the risk of it coming loose is too high.

I'm still thinking about bending down two of the four U shaped clamps that hold the lid on, and fasten it to the surface using those, but I'm not even sure if I'm going to keep the thing so at this point I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

good velcro won't.

Post by **smgreen20** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:08 pm

Hot glue wont either.

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:58 am

Extreme heat may not be a worry, but with the cold winters where I live where it pushes 20 to 30 below at times, I cannot trust any sort of adhesive to hold a metal object in place next to equipment that cost $1000's.

Plus, I don't have any solid non carpeted surfaces to glue it to anyways. The line driver needs to be located within than 1.5 feet from the back of my Phatbox, and theres power wires hidden behind and below it everywhere.

Post by **smgreen20** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:33 am

Industrial grade velcro will hold even in those temps. Just use the stiffer of the two sides. One side will be carpet like loops and the other plastic loops < that's the one you'll want to use. It'll hold to the carpet almost as if it were velcro too.

gkitching · Post by **gkitching** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:20 am

You could glue or dbl bake tape a mounting bracket to it. Some of the 3m DST is crazy strong! Hell, I've seen many a body kits held on with that stuff.

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:15 am

Ok, now I like that idea. I wasn't so much worried about finding an adhesive that'd stick to the metal casing in extreme conditions as I was worried about finding something that'd fasten to either carpet or MDF. I think I'll just fabricate a mounting bracket of some sort and use industrial adhesive to stick it onto the case.

Thanks for the idea!

(I still have to say thumbs down to PG for not including a mounting point of any sort however)

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:46 am

how much room is on the inside of the case?

enough for a small screw to go through?

you could buy some small "L" brackets from home depot that were meant for furniture and such

screw one side to the tld22 and the other to the mounting surface

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Sun May 18, 2008 1:35 pm

Well I finally got around to installing my TLD-22 Line Driver but I haven't had much of a chance to notice if there's any difference in dynamics or clarity.

For some odd reason I'm barely able to increase either L/R Output Gain on the TLD-22 at all, so I don't know if the line driver is doing much if anything at all. If I turn it to the 2nd line on the pot (which is only about 1/8th of the way to the line drivers max) my system starts to distort at even the lowest volume..

When I increase the output gain any further than the first line I get digital distortion and horrible static. At this point I'm uncertain if I'm just hitting my processor's input ceiling with too high of a voltage or if there's something wrong with my TLD-22.

Does anyone here know how the TLD-22 handles an input at a very low or minimum output gain setting? Is there a boost to the output signal at its lowest setting at all?

Either way I haven't had the time to drive around and listen to see if there's a difference with/without it connected inline with my Phatbox so I'll have to give it some time and see if it was worth the time and expense.

mrblack · Post by **mrblack** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:21 pm

Out of curiosity I did a test on the signal from my Phatbox before and after the TLD-22 Line Driver.

When listening to the signal directly from the outputs of the Phatbox through a set of headphones the resulting sound is dull and lifeless with a severe lack of bass and treble. I am guessing this is due to the lack of voltage necessary to drive the headphones to full power.

However, even when set at it's lowest gain setting, the output from the line driver has much more defined bass and treble though the overall volume level is only a bit higher.

Regardless, even though I am only able to slightly increase the gain on the line driver when the signal is fed into my processor, I am now certain that the signal is being boosted significantly after hearing the difference up close and personal through my headphones.

Here's a photo of the install now that the TLD-22 is in place. I went ahead with my initial plans of bending two of the four clips that hold the lid in place down flat, and used them as screw mounts to fasten them to the floor. As a security measure I did fasten a wire tie around the lid in case it ever vibrated loose, but the lid still fastens tightly even without the added security.

Overall I'm happier with the sound after the TLD-22 was installed, and just wanted the extra assurance my test proved that it wasn't all just in my head.