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>> SSA Dcon prototypes
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:26 am
by denim
Since the response was positive from the last prototype I posted up on the Phorum, I thought I would post up the next ones. 
The SSA Dcon will be our up coming mid-level line. We had intended to hold on the 10" & 12" versions until the 8" was ready, but with the 8" version getting close, it was time to begin testing on the larger sizes. The goal of the SSA Dcon is to keep the same high level of clarity the Icon has achieved, but scaled down a little. Almost like a mini-Icon if you will (maybe change the name to mIcon 
).
Specs and pricing will come later once everything is ironed out and ready to go for production. A goal of 300 watt rms, and more affordable price tag then the Icon. Starting out with a 2" / 4 layer / copper dual 4 ohm coils, and shooting for 15-18mm of xmax, and if all goes well with this version we hope to have them ready for production fairly soon to give a few hints. Pricing is not set as we have not finished testing.
Mark (other half of SSA) is testing a pair of 10" prototypes, and a 12" prototype is on the way to me now. Being in Arizona, Mark is much closer to the build house, so here are some pictures Mark shot of the 10" models. I will add 12" prototype pictures later.
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:35 am
by bretti_kivi
those look rather interesting. Do you distribute this side of the pond, too?
Bret
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:35 am
by oldskoolmseriesfan
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:41 am
by fuzzysnuggleduck
Looks really beefy, are these daily driver suitable subs or are they aimed directly at competitors and bass heads?
Edit: Durrrrr I was looking at the Icon.
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:44 am
by stipud
300w RMS with a magnet like that? Jesus christ. I think my RSD comp's magnet is about 1/3rd the size
I definitely need to get my hands on one of those, it would be absolutely perfect for my install. Let me know when you've got a 10 or 12 D2 I can buy
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:13 am
by Rold Gold
Me too......Me too..........
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:05 pm
by Mackenzie
stipud wrote:300w RMS with a magnet like that?
I was thinking the same thing..
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:12 pm
by andy600rr
Finally. Someone making a sub that can be run of a reasonably sized class ab amp without having to stuff 1000+ rms into it from a d class.
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:23 pm
by GX3
Ok i must have been living under a rock ...... I havent heard of this sub before. Can you fill me in on this. It looks well made and i have been looking for a new sub to try out. MADE IN USA (or Canada)???? not China i hope
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:37 pm
by stipud
GX3 wrote:Ok i must have been living under a rock ...... I havent heard of this sub before. Can you fill me in on this. It looks well made and i have been looking for a new sub to try out. MADE IN USA (or Canada)???? not China i hope
They are USA made, apparently sound phenomenal, and denim is a cool guy!
http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/products/icon/
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:02 am
by denim
bretti_kivi wrote:those look rather interesting. Do you distribute this side of the pond, too?
Bret
At the moment, we are nearly 100% direct, and do ship international. We have been working very hard to get a distributor on the other side of the Atlantic, but have not had any luck with one following through. Some just seem to drop off the face of the earth. 
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:05 am
by denim
fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:Looks really beefy, are these daily driver suitable subs or are they aimed directly at competitors and bass heads?
Edit: Durrrrr I was looking at the Icon.
All our drivers are sound quality biased and focused drivers. Strong output is a bi-product of the design. But we are not really worried about SPL competitors. A number of bassracers have shown interest, and a few have done builds, which our drivers suit just fine in part due to healthy xmax and lower Fs.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:08 am
by denim
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:21 am
by stipud
denim wrote:At the moment, we are starting out with just D4's. But if you are interested, I can talk to the build house on a wink wink special.
Well, I'm not a millionaire, and I have the patience of a saint... so if one is coming eventually, I can wait. But if it's not ridiculous $ to have a 2 ohm built, then I'd love to give it a spin!
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:23 am
by denim
Mackenzie wrote:stipud wrote:300w RMS with a magnet like that?
I was thinking the same thing..
Due to our size and the falling ratio of watts per dollar, we have taken the safe approach of over build and under rate. We could have gone with a single, large diameter slug (like we did with the Xcon model line), but cost wise it is more expensive.
I would much rather have 3 customers buy the driver and have no issues and be happy, then have 9 customers buy the driver and 6 push it past the thermal or mechanical limits and have those drivers come back for re-cone.
The smaller volume & happy customer base direction is better for us then the high volume & some happy some not customer base direction. It is difficult because people want to compare us to much larger and older companies, but if we were just about making money, we would not be building here in the USA, and using the parts we use. It is hard to get that across to people when they can buy a driver built over seas with high wattage ratting for the same price.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:34 am
by denim
stipud wrote:GX3 wrote:Ok i must have been living under a rock ...... I havent heard of this sub before. Can you fill me in on this. It looks well made and i have been looking for a new sub to try out. MADE IN USA (or Canada)???? not China i hope
They are USA made, apparently sound phenomenal, and denim is a cool guy!
http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/products/icon/
Thank you stipud. But no worries, you have not been under a rock. We are very small in terms of speaker companies. And this is more of a hobby that is in the shape of a business, since we both work full time. (hope that makes sense).
Even though this is a largely PG focused site, the Phorum crew has been very gracious in allowing me to post up what we are working on. Which I am very grateful for. Not to mention, we pose zero threat to PG as it is, plus none of our products really line up with the PG offerings.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:36 am
by denim
andy600rr wrote:Finally. Someone making a sub that can be run of a reasonably sized class ab amp without having to stuff 1000+ rms into it from a d class.
That is part of the reason for this driver, to offer a sub woofer of the same caliber in sound as the Icon, but more wallet friendly, and amplifier friendly.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:38 am
by denim
stipud wrote:denim wrote:At the moment, we are starting out with just D4's. But if you are interested, I can talk to the build house on a wink wink special.
Well, I'm not a millionaire, and I have the patience of a saint... so if one is coming eventually, I can wait. But if it's not ridiculous $ to have a 2 ohm built, then I'd love to give it a spin!
If you remind me once we have hit production with this model, I will call the build house. As we have done a few custom drivers in the past, it should not be too big a deal. Only difference is time to build.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:32 am
by stipud
denim wrote:If you remind me once we have hit production with this model, I will call the build house. As we have done a few custom drivers in the past, it should not be too big a deal. Only difference is time to build.
Awesome. Will do!
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:39 am
by mr tibbs
Nice Denim!! I know your still in the testing stage but do you have any specs, such as driver depth and a preferred sealed box size? I have a certain Exile sub in the FJ right now that I'm looking to replace.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:47 am
by gentlejax2
cool Aaron........did you ever make a decision on the Xenon? I dont get to SSA much sorry...
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:15 am
by denim
mr tibbs wrote:Nice Denim!! I know your still in the testing stage but do you have any specs, such as driver depth and a preferred sealed box size? I have a certain Exile sub in the FJ right now that I'm looking to replace.
I will have to get back to you on box sizing, as I want to really dial in our recommendations. But a rough idea will put the 10" around the .75 - 1.0 cubes sealed area, and the 12" in the 1.1-1.5 cubes sealed area. Keep in mind those are just early estimates and can change, and smaller sizes with polyfill can work also.
It took me a while to get the Icon dialed in, which lead us to show it prefers larger then average.
As for the Dcon, the model the topic is about, the mounting depth for the Dcon:
10" model - 6" depth
12" model - 6.5" depth.
The Dcon will be nearly identical in depth to the Icon. I do not have mounting depth on the 8" Dcon as the basket upgrades are not done yet, so it will be a tiny bit taller then the prototype I currently have.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:18 am
by denim
gentlejax2 wrote:cool Aaron........did you ever make a decision on the Xenon? I dont get to SSA much sorry...
Sorry, no not yet. Still reeling from the $$$ brake job on my car.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:25 am
by gentlejax2
no problem Aaron......
