problem with Audio Art 200.2

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:33 am

Nico156 wrote:this morning amps arrived home!
so I take pics and scan paperwork.
here I post 800x600 but I have also the 3072x2304 ones.

I would like to see the high res versions of these 2 pics before and after as even in the 800x600 you can easily tell there are differences ibn the boards and the torroids are definatekly not the same. Please post the high res pics you have.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:38 am

gridracer wrote:In the 1st pic gbody posted you can clearly see the c109 print on circuit board is missing the c yet in the 2nd pic he posted the c109 is all clearly visible. Plus there are lots of components that are different colors and lots that are clearly bent in different ways on the boards. Too many things different between the 2 pics for me to believe its a pic of 1 amp. Like the transistors under where the caps go in 1 pic they are standing up in the other pic they are laying down,tell me why a tech would re-arrange anything on an amp that he did not get paid to change?

As other forum members you don't read the thread..
So as I say before..
That is the place where cap was leaking, so tech afer removing it clean up the place and ''c'' got missing..
He change all the caps on the right (signal section) of course you see a lot of different item and color!

I said.. If you don't have a scheme you have to test quite everything, to test them you have to remove them, if they were ok then you re solder them, so you did't change them because they were ok, so you don't pay for them.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:44 am

gridracer wrote:
Nico156 wrote:this morning amps arrived home!
so I take pics and scan paperwork.
here I post 800x600 but I have also the 3072x2304 ones.
I would like to see the high res versions of these 2 pics before and after as even in the 800x600 you can easily tell there are differences ibn the boards and the torroids are definatekly not the same. Please post the high res pics you have.

Oh good man! I appreciate this.
But how I can post such a big photo?
I can sent to your email but no one else will see them

If you have a trick I will do! With high res pics all of you will easily see what I see! Especially those marks inside the board compound that no human can reply..

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:47 am

So why did he change resistors on the far right side of the board? post the high res pics prove yourself! I know for a fact that high res pics will show all the little inconsistancy's that are hiding in the 800x600 pics clearly the torrid is different.
I did read the whole thread I have gone over it 3 times at least and I studied the pics for the last hour you are lying!
I don't know Randy at all I have never had any dealings with him either but I can tell there are 2 amps pictured. A tech might not charge for parts that are good and he reused them but he sure as hell will charge you labor for doing all the removing and replacing them plus the time to test them,which clearly on your bill he did not do all that work.

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:48 am

Send me the pics to gridracer@gmail.com I will post them for you and everyone else to see.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:01 am

gridracer wrote:So why did he change resistors on the far right side of the board? post the high res pics prove yourself! I know for a fact that high res pics will show all the little inconsistancy's that are hiding in the 800x600 pics clearly the torrid is different.
I did read the whole thread I have gone over it 3 times at least and I studied the pics for the last hour you are lying!
I don't know Randy at all I have never had any dealings with him either but I can tell there are 2 amps pictured. A tech might not charge for for parts that are good and he reused them but he sure as hell will charge you labor for doing all the removing and replacing them plus the time to test them,which clearly on your bill he did not do all that work.

How can you say that I'm lying? Who are you? God?
Of course he get me pay the time he spent.. To change two caps and transistor he would get 1 hour not several hours he got..

Yes I can send you pics, but as all members can see you are not neutral at all.. so I prefer also post pics here sorry..

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:03 am

screenshot I make in the desktop..

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:06 am

So now you won't send pics either because you know they will prove its 2 different amps nice try on the scam.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:12 am

gridracer wrote:So now you won't send pics either because you know they will prove its 2 different amps nice try on the scam.

of course sherlock holmes

I've already send 1 pic

In this moment provider is charging the other two ones..

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:15 am

sent..

sorry for my attitude.. at least you are the only person brained who ask me for pics.. even if you told me a liar..

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:17 am

I got the after pic still waiting for the before pic.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:21 am

perfect!!!
thanks man!!

little advice: there's a cap near fuse that it was painted by Audio art, look at the paint it has same lines

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:31 am

I have the pics How many resistors did the tech change? your bill doesn't say anything about resistors! I ask this because in the after pic there is a burnt resistor but in the before pic it is not burnt!

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:35 am

oh my god..

First at all: the toroids are different????

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:39 am

Nico156 wrote:
ttocs wrote:also notice that the transistors below the caps have been replaced, I don't think he mentioned this at all.

Where ya at nico?
as I say up.. it take several hours of technician to found the problem because he don't have service manual (I ask also Randy to find one but you know he was jocking, he was only making sure passing 45 paypal days)
so tech probably test those transistor, you probably don't know that to test a trans you have to remove it..

If you repair an amp without a scheme in your hand you could probably have to test half the component in it! But the board is the same..

Have you read all the thread or only look at the two pictures???

thanks, I actualy have a degree in electronics and did happen to know this. Do you know if you reverse bias the transmitter, it can explode with enough fource to hit the lab group 6 ft away? Saw it happen, cool stuff. Appearently those transistors tested bad because they were replaced in the 2nd photo, notice how in the 1rst one there are no leads and in the 2nd one the leads were not trimmed and they are so nice and shiney? Did he reverse bias them and blow them up or did you? Obviously they would not be replaced unless they were bad...

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:44 am

Give me some time I will do some circling and uploading just so you cn look to see for yourself in the after pic R205 has been replaced with a resistor twice the physical size as in the before pic and just to the right of R205 the resistor between R207 and R209 is burnt on the after pic but not the before pic. Its your pics so pretty hard for me to lie just saying what I can obviously see in the pics,aside from red jumper wires plus a chip in a socket on 1 pic but not in the other pic there is a few other differences as well.give me time I will upload with the differences circled.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:45 am

I can't understand.. what's the point?
If they are the same it means tech test them and din't change them.
If they are different he change them.

Of course in the paperwork he did't mention every component he changed.. but only the most important (caps and finals)

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:48 am

gridracer wrote:Give me some time I will do some circling and uploading just so you cn look to see for yourself in the after pic R205 has been replaced with a resistor twice the physical size as in the before pic and just to the right of R205 the resistor between R207 and R209 is burnt on the after pic but not the before pic. Its your pics so pretty hard for me to lie just saying what I can obviously see in the pics,aside from red jumper wires plus a chip in a socket on 1 pic but not in the other pic there is a few other differences as well.give me time I will upload with the differences circled.

ok probably tech send me back a different amp

the fact is
first you move on toroid, toroid result the same
then you move on res..
so silly..

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:48 am

why would he not list every componant replaced, not only to ensure accurate billing but also to have a complete record of all work performed? If you have a tech that was just throwing parts at it then we might have another problem with this transaction. This just smells bad from beginning to end, do you see what we mean? This is a very fair website, we are not known for screwing random foregn newbs that sign up.

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:48 am

So explain how on the after pic there is a burnt resistor but on before pic it is not burnt? BTW I still say the torrid is different also I just haven't mentioned it in the last couple posts. You will see when I show your pics pointing out differences.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:57 am

ttocs wrote:why would he not list every componant replaced, not only to ensure accurate billing but also to have a complete record of all work performed?
Because he didn't ever think that there would be a process on it!
How much is a res??? Come on..
By the way, as I said, I gave Randy homepage and mail of the laboratory so he could ask direct the tech! Randy did you ask something to the laboratory??

If you have a tech that was just throwing parts at it then we might have another problem with this transaction.
He knows how to work.

This just smells bad from beginning to end, do you see what we mean? This is a very fair website, we are not known for screwing random foregn newbs that sign up.

Not this case man.
Members accuse me without proves, take joke on me, ect...

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:00 am

gridracer wrote:So explain how on the after pic there is a burnt resistor but on before pic it is not burnt? BTW I still say the torrid is different also I just haven't mentioned it in the last couple posts. You will see when I show your pics pointing out differences.

Ok this is the prove for me. If you say that toroids are different it means you are blind, or you are desperately trying to defend Randy..

Every wire on it the same, every marks on solder the same..

you are not serious at all, I knew I was failing giving you pics, now you will tweak them for sure.. good job

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:24 am

First off I wouldn't know the first thing of how to "tweak" a picture all I did was circle the items in paint and label the problems you will see if you like I will also post the originals you sent me as well. I have nothing to gain by this I have never even spoken to Randy before I haven't goty a clue who he is.Just like I don't know who you are either.

Do you not believe me about the burnt resistor? look at your pics its easy to see.

Pics will be uploaded shortly hopefully they will be fullsize.

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:36 am

here is the pics I circled a few things on

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:42 am

Would you like me to post any more differences that can be seen in your pics?
I will post originals right away.