Issues

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:44 am

Ok, so im driving to work today, and i think my car had a mild stroke or something. My right 6.5 started crackling and then just quit, I unhooked the rca at the amp and left it alone till I got home. On the ride home the right side tweeter started acting up, crakling and has very low output. Im afraid its the speakers, which wouldnt suprise me they are about 6+ years old. Id think about going out and doing a channel swap and testing both sides, but its getting to be single digits out and the garage has no heat.

Setup is a X200.4 front channels running the tweeters, rears running the mids.

My initial thoughts are dump the componants, BUT who makes a set that can run that kind of power. I dont really want to get into the $150 retail componant set. But I wont spend a fortune for good stuff anymore.

Im open to ideas and help on this one.

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:45 am

OH, and then when I got home the right mid started working again, maybe a loose wire or something.

Post by **bdubs767** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:52 am

could be the classic xenon death....they were known to crackel ect when abotu to die.

Ahsmo · Post by **Ahsmo** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:17 pm

that sounds like the x200.x is shitting out.

cross your fingers

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:54 pm

super,I can only come to the conclusion it was on its way out from its last owner then, Ive only been running my mids off of it, and the gains are all the way down.

Who would be worthy of disecting the amp for diagnosis?

Ive never had any amp issues in 12+ years of doing this. Sad, but not a US PG amp, so I was nervous going in.

Post by **AVICJR** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:28 pm

The flat rate on the X200.4 is $125 if you want PG to fix it.

Mastiff · Post by **Mastiff** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:49 pm

its when i hear tales like this that make me want to dump the 200.4 and go with something else

draarong2004 · Post by **draarong2004** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:38 pm

AVICJR wrote:The flat rate on the X200.4 is $125 if you want PG to fix it.

idk, that don't sound like too bad of a deal rather then buying a new amp so long as they warranty it again at that price.....just my opinion though.

1moreamp · Post by **1moreamp** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:12 pm

PG's rates are more than fair. If I had to live off their repair rates I would starve, and or go out of business.
Amp builders that actually service their products are trying to build customer confidence and brand loyalty. So they repair for cheap rates to keep their product in your hands.
It all makes perfectly good sense in the long term business plan of things.

You could have bought a Fosgate. I hear nothing good about their service group and policies. Responses like buy a new one, and here call these people they repair Fosgate, Its the same with PPI, call them Oh we don't really repair we will trade yours in on a B stock refurb for $125.00 to $250.00, but it will be the next model up from yours ,,, yeah right PPI has 1 (ONE) technician in the USA. I'm sure hes very busy

refurbing warranty returns yeah right, They send them back to the factory in whereever to repair and refurb for resale. Same for Hifonics, and many others..

At least PG stands behind you guys,,, Think about it, I'm telling you the truth for your own interests

draarong2004 · Post by **draarong2004** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:52 pm

u didn't mention power acoustic in there????

lol, had my amp over a year and its still runnin strong

Ahsmo · Post by **Ahsmo** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:00 pm

Hontzo_MD wrote:super,I can only come to the conclusion it was on its way out from its last owner then, Ive only been running my mids off of it, and the gains are all the way down.

Who would be worthy of disecting the amp for diagnosis?

Ive never had any amp issues in 12+ years of doing this. Sad, but not a US PG amp, so I was nervous going in.

If it goes in. It will never have to go back. I think PG got their shit together and fixed the problems.

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:13 pm

1moreamp wrote:PG's rates are more than fair. If I had to live off their repair rates I would starve, and or go out of business.
Amp builders that actually service their products are trying to build customer confidence and brand loyalty. So they repair for cheap rates to keep their product in your hands.
It all makes perfectly good sense in the long term business plan of things.

You could have bought a Fosgate. I hear nothing good about their service group and policies. Responses like buy a new one, and here call these people they repair Fosgate, Its the same with PPI, call them Oh we don't really repair we will trade yours in on a B stock refurb for $125.00 to $250.00, but it will be the next model up from yours ,,, yeah right PPI has 1 (ONE) technician in the USA. I'm sure hes very busy refurbing warranty returns yeah right, They send them back to the factory in whereever to repair and refurb for resale. Same for Hifonics, and many others..

At least PG stands behind you guys,,, Think about it, I'm telling you the truth for your own interests

That may be true, but I have a guy at rockford, I could get it fixed, hell I was running pre-production Quart amps, that ran better than this xenon for about 2 years, and I have only had this amp for a few months, a bit dissappointing.

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:15 pm

I guess I shouldnt have expected too much, I got the damn thing for dirt cheap over on the SB.

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:29 pm

Im fearing its the amp, I just went out and hooked it up with the Q x-overs, to just the front channels, and there are still issues, I am afraid it has cooked at least a mid woofer, and possibly the tweeters, there are still output issues across the board.

I think I should have held out for what I really wanted, ZX or XS amps.

With that being said, I am looking for ZX or XS amps. PM me or aim me with what ya got.

dedlyjedly · Post by **dedlyjedly** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:40 pm

"and I have only had this amp for a few months, a bit dissappointing."

After a few months of use (relatively quickly) is when they tend to sizzle like that. Unfortunately, the build house that produced the xenon for pg did have some definite quality control issues, specifically with some poor solder joints that cause the problem you're experiencing.

PG did a bang up job of stepping in to clean up the mess though. They did everything they could to get the product back to Portland for a second round of qc, but unfortunately there was still a lot of product that wasn't taken care of for miscellaneous reasons (likely product that has been transhipped). Send it in for repair and don't worry about it anymore!

Post by **bdubs767** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:04 pm

how much u pay for your xenon?

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:49 am

Around 2

Post by **bdubs767** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:24 am

Hontzo_MD wrote:Around 2

plus the 115 to get it fixed...

you payed 315 for an amp that retailed at 800 something...not bad IMO. That is still below dealer cost

rolandk · Post by **rolandk** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:02 am

You might want to troubleshoot it a bit further and find out exactly where the problem is. I had a similar situation and it ended up being a bad solder connection on the comps passive crossover PCB.

Post by **stipud** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:12 am

Welcome Sir Roland!

'Bout time we got you posting here.

Hontzo_MD · Post by **Hontzo_MD** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:24 pm

yeah, pretty sure its something amp related. I am running active x-overs. Ive got some new mids i need to put in, then I will see. Im not real thrilled with the amp so far,maybe later tonight im going to put the XS2300 in and run it for a while.

Mackenzie · Post by **Mackenzie** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:06 pm

draarong2004 wrote:u didn't mention power acoustic in there????

lol, had my amp over a year and its still runnin strong

Power acoustic should not even be mentioned in the same thread as pg.

1moreamp · Post by **1moreamp** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:16 pm

Hontzo_MD wrote:yeah, pretty sure its something amp related. I am running active x-overs. Ive got some new mids i need to put in, then I will see. Im not real thrilled with the amp so far,maybe later tonight im going to put the XS2300 in and run it for a while.

OK Sell me your busted amp, I'll give you a hundred shipped for your broke amp

Post by **bdubs767** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:23 pm

1moreamp wrote:
Hontzo_MD wrote:yeah, pretty sure its something amp related. I am running active x-overs. Ive got some new mids i need to put in, then I will see. Im not real thrilled with the amp so far,maybe later tonight im going to put the XS2300 in and run it for a while.
OK Sell me your busted amp, I'll give you a hundred shipped for your broke amp

Ill give you 110 to ship it to PG or Cecil

...you've taught me to well Jedi Master

1moreamp · Post by **1moreamp** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:26 pm

bdubs767 wrote:
1moreamp wrote:
Hontzo_MD wrote:yeah, pretty sure its something amp related. I am running active x-overs. Ive got some new mids i need to put in, then I will see. Im not real thrilled with the amp so far,maybe later tonight im going to put the XS2300 in and run it for a while.
OK Sell me your busted amp, I'll give you a hundred shipped for your broke amp
Ill give you 110 to ship it to PG or Cecil ...you've taught me to well Jedi Master

Ahh Grasshopper you learn so quickly

Wax on Wax off and may the farce be with you

$120.00 shipped