Ive been gone to long

[nutxo]

Ive never seen this until just now http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Phoenix-Gold-Ry ... 3cb88786a7

[Bfowler]

that was a variation of the octane-r that was released for European distributors to sell and support


that person is high as shit if they think someone will bid even 1/2 of their starting bid

[nutxo]

that was a variation of the octane-r that was released for European distributors to sell and support


that person is high as shit if they think someone will bid even 1/2 of their starting bid

Okay. I think I remember a discussion about those maybe.....

[valeks1]

It's Ryval A4.50 was build for BBG Distribution LTD in UK. It,s cheapest 4 ch amplifier PG ever build

[Shinju]

I bought one of these about a year ago or so off a seller in Portland's Craigslist for about 60.00 bucks. Wasn't a bad amp I thought it was better then the chrome qx amplifiers I had at the time, the board looked very similar to the qx 4 channel.

[Damo95]

The "Ryval designs" range was also sold here in Australia..

[ttocs]

I think we can all agree that its NOT really phoenix gold....

[Bfowler]

yes, that is truth

[denim]

Love it Brian, not holding back.

[nutxo]

I think we can all agree that its NOT really phoenix gold....

meh, Porsche sold the 924, Cadillac made the cimmaron and Guns and roses made the spaghetti incident. When a company puts their name on something they own the reputation of that product. The trick is making something so good afterwards everyone forgets the bad product

[stipud]

meh, Porsche sold the 924, Cadillac made the cimmaron and Guns and roses made the spaghetti incident. When a company puts their name on something they own the reputation of that product. The trick is making something so good afterwards everyone forgets the bad product

PG didn't brand the Ryval Designs amps as PG though. There are a few "made by PG" hints in some locations, but on the whole they were sold as Ryval Designs amplifiers, not Phoenix Gold Ryval.

[Thumper88]

Well...it does have have the surfer logo on it, and the Phoenix Gold sticker on the box...

[stipud]

Well...it does have have the surfer logo on it, and the Phoenix Gold sticker on the box...

This specific example does, yes. The reason the Ryval Designs line was made in the first place was that the distributors would be able to brand them with their own name. So many were sold as "BBG" amps in the UK, for example. I am not sure the Ryval Designs amps were ever actually sold on this side of the pond either.

[nutxo]

meh, Porsche sold the 924, Cadillac made the cimmaron and Guns and roses made the spaghetti incident. When a company puts their name on something they own the reputation of that product. The trick is making something so good afterwards everyone forgets the bad product

PG didn't brand the Ryval Designs amps as PG though. There are a few "made by PG" hints in some locations, but on the whole they were sold as Ryval Designs amplifiers, not Phoenix Gold Ryval.

I dunno man. They certainly weren't trying to distance themselves from the product http://www.phoenixgold.com/images/pdfs/ ... heim07.pdf

I'm really not trying to be oppositional. think PG is a fine company with a great history. I'm just saying that even the most successful companies have flops if they've been around long enough.

[stipud]

I dunno man. They certainly weren't trying to distance themselves from the product http://www.phoenixgold.com/images/pdfs/ ... heim07.pdf

I'm really not trying to be oppositional. think PG is a fine company with a great history. I'm just saying that even the most successful companies have flops if they've been around long enough.

Actually, that's Ryval, which was the successor to the Octane line. Great bang for the buck and very robust. Ryval DESIGNS was a completely different amp series, sold below the Octane line, made on the cheap in order for PG's overseas distributors to brand as their own. Makes perfect sense right