Help needed (Digikey)

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:33 pm

Rail Caps 275

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... e=P6669-ND

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:33 pm

So this will be the complete list then!?!

Input power caps MS275:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... =P11210-ND
Input power caps MS2125:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... =P11210-ND
Railcaps MS275:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... e=P6669-ND
Railcaps MS2125:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... e=P6689-ND

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:35 pm

stipud wrote:I would suggest either of these input caps instead...
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... 93-1804-ND
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... 93-1543-ND

Apparently the HE "sound better" than the PW

There is also this 35mm cap, but I am unsure of the quality...
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

The MS275 capacitors are 35v
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... e=P6669-ND

As far as I know the Panasonic's destroyed the Nichicon's SQ wise

If we are looking for SQ caps I will have to go somewhere else as I would not suggest any of these....you would be looking for exotic caps if you want SQ caps....these are just very good replacements

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:38 pm

stipud

Apparently the HE "sound better" than the PW

Could you elaborate as to why ?

I thought the Panasonic's were the latest technology ?

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:39 pm

dBincognito wrote:stipud
Apparently the HE "sound better" than the PW
Could you elaborate as to why ?

I thought the Panasonic's were the latest technology ?

where our pic???

Post by **stipud** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:39 pm

dBincognito wrote:As far as I know the Panasonic's destroyed the Nichicon's SQ wise

If we are looking for SQ caps I will have to go somewhere else as I would not suggest any of these....you would be looking for exotic caps if you want SQ caps....these are just very good replacements

Based on what I have found on audiophile forums...

Nichicon PW ~= Panasonic FC
Nichicon HE ~= Panasonic FM

FM/HE > FC/PW

So I would probably lean towards the HE's myself, considering they are much cheaper (Joerg has to buy lots!) and should be greater quality than the FCs.

I bought the FCs myself and was flabbergasted that they cost the same as my rail caps. Made the whole job much less economical, and I highly doubt I could tell the difference.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:42 pm

Well I just have to plain disagree...so we can just agree to disagree

I think ANY Panasonic sounds better than a Nichicon...just my opinion

Post by **stipud** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:45 pm

Meh... I've never done a conclusive double-blind A/B test... have you? You would need two of the same amps, with different caps, aligned bias, gain matched, etc. to make out the difference. There are lots of happy Nichicon users out there, so considering how many caps Joerg has to replace, I would go with the option that costs less and is theoretically equal or better in quality.

No problems with the FCs in my own amp either... I just can't tell the difference.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:48 pm

stipud wrote:Meh... I've never done a conclusive double-blind A/B test... have you? You would need two of the same amps, with different caps, aligned bias, gain matched, etc. to make out the difference. There are lots of happy Nichicon users out there, so considering how many caps Joerg has to replace, I would go with the option that costs less and is theoretically equal or better in quality.

No problems with the FCs in my own amp either... I just can't tell the difference.

I could..I have 3 Rev. E 2125's...1 already has Nichicon's in it....I'm ordering Panasonic's....I could order all of the above and run a test.....but it would only be my ear's hearing it...SO...not really working...I also like the blue/gold of the Pan.'s vs. the black Nich......whatever works for Joerg...he has the options that's for sure

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:54 pm

I´m starting to get lost again!

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:57 pm

stipud wrote:
I would suggest either of these input caps instead...
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... 93-1804-ND
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... 93-1543-ND

Apparently the HE "sound better" than the PW

There is also this 35mm cap, but I am unsure of the quality...
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

The MS275 capacitors are 35v
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... e=P6669-ND

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:58 pm

HOLD ON....I WILL GET IT ALL STRAIGHT

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:00 pm

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:00 pm

ALL INPUT CAPS
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... 93-1804-ND

Railcaps MS2125:
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... e=P6689-ND

Railcaps MS275:
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch ... e=P6669-ND

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:01 pm

OK

Sorry but that´s the stuff i´ll never be able to straight out if i get too much input

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:02 pm

joerg

So this is nogo???

I NO FIGHT WITH THE Adminstrator

Post by **stipud** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:09 pm

dBincognito wrote:I NO FIGHT WITH THE Adminstrator

Huh? I don't care. I would really like to see an A/B test with the caps because I honestly don't know which is better. I'm just giving Joerg some options

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:12 pm

I guess I could change the caps out with all different one's and wait for the PPP's(Phoenix Phorum Phloridian's) to come over.....run them then

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:15 pm

stipud wrote:
dBincognito wrote:I NO FIGHT WITH THE Adminstrator
Huh? I don't care. I would really like to see an A/B test with the caps because I honestly don't know which is better. I'm just giving Joerg some options

Giiving me options means you confusing me!

Lets make two list:

TOM:
MS275 Power input caps

MS2125 Power input caps

MS275 Rail Caps

MS2125 Rail Caps

Randy:
MS275 Power input caps

MS2125 Power input caps

MS275 Rail Caps

MS2125 Rail Caps

Please just fill in your suggested links

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:24 pm

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:25 pm

Thanks!

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Could there go something terribly wrong if i use those???

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:48 pm

joerg wrote:Could there go something terribly wrong if i use those???

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

Besides them sucking ....no

Post by **joerg** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:53 pm

dBincognito wrote:
joerg wrote:Could there go something terribly wrong if i use those???

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

Besides them sucking ....no

Whats the difference between the 8200 and the other one s anyways? Is it true that u get more SQ out of a higher value?

It makes the plexi from the SOFAS more stable if it is laying on the caps!
Thats why i´m asking!

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:55 pm

joerg wrote:
dBincognito wrote:
joerg wrote:Could there go something terribly wrong if i use those???

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea ... 65-1949-ND

Besides them sucking ....no

Whats the difference between the 8200 and the other one s anyways? Is it true that u get more SQ out of a higher value?

It makes the plexi from the SOFAS more stable if it is laying on the caps!
Thats why i´m asking!

I'm not even going to go into that....it will start a huge debate...if you need 35mm tall I will give you some...hold on