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Irongoats · Post by **Irongoats** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:06 am

MW3 wrote:Guys. We got some exciting things happening.

But I can't really get into details. You are going to have to wait a few months.

Cool, I'm new to the "pg family" haha and I'm ready to update my gear.

deathcloud · Post by **deathcloud** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:33 am

MW3 wrote:Guys. We got some exciting things happening.

But I can't really get into details. You are going to have to wait a few months.

Omg basically he just dangled a ribeye in front of our faces... TELL US! One little hint! Like BOFAS! haha

Post by **joerg** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:25 pm

MW3 wrote:Guys. We got some exciting things happening.

But I can't really get into details. You are going to have to wait a few months.

I can´t wait and hopefully we see a very nice "PHOENIX GOLD" Logo on the new stuff again!

Post by **ttocs** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:53 pm

how rude...........

denim · Post by **denim** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:45 pm

Awe, come on Morgan.

jbondox · Post by **jbondox** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:17 pm

probably looking to sell it off to the Chinese

just realized how crazy you guys are and how f'd the market is

MW3 · Post by **MW3** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:43 pm

I hear some crazy guy in Ohio put in an offer.

GX3 · Post by **GX3** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:03 pm

MW3 wrote:I hear some crazy guy in Ohio put in an offer.

what was his name...................

the wizard wasn't

knightrider358 · Post by **knightrider358** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:23 pm

LOL GX3 Oh NO here we go again!.......

shit he might say he could buy AAMP and PG and Do everything we want from PG......

deathcloud · Post by **deathcloud** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:27 pm

I am so confused... but could we get a little hint of some of the exciting things that are going to happen... Like should I be saving my money for a SICK ass limited edition amp? lol

andy600rr · Post by **andy600rr** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:41 pm

GX3 wrote:
MW3 wrote:I hear some crazy guy in Ohio put in an offer.
what was his name................... the wizard wasn't

Little dig at James me thinks

jbondox · Post by **jbondox** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:53 pm

Actually I could of found an investor, However the first thing he does is send everything overseas... not my style. In fact he was looking to buy Corsa Performance from the bank when it had financial problems, but it seems the bank has it its own investors.

I see the guy 2x a month, been to his castle a few times also... shit his daily beater is a Maybach 57s,, has the second most expensive Rolex watch there is (only because it is gold)... hell i was hoping he would adopt me

If I ever want to go on my own again, this is the guy that is going to back me financially, but I have other plans

andy600rr · Post by **andy600rr** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:59 pm

No, sorry James you got me all wrong. GX3 thought the 'Ohio investor' was a guy who came in here a while back trying to pump up everones tyres with gradiose schemes of a PG revival. He was a big talking 'and big noting' SOB who left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths..

Now, back to the scheduled program.........

jbondox · Post by **jbondox** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:33 pm

Oh yeah I remember reading that and thought I knew where the guy worked but was way off... yeah that was messed up on his part....

My guy is legit, I just hate when someone says offshore when it was designed in the USA and started in the USA... I guess I am not a sell out...

Stereo Junkie · Post by **Stereo Junkie** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:58 pm

What comes to my mind that made PG great back in the day 1) was the simplicity of the designs and 2) they did what it stated it would do (M series lines - M/MP/MQ/MS/MAC/MPS). Even though PG made monstrous amps they were know for the sound quality could be considered a 3).

There is something to be said for K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid).

When PG started to get away from simple designs (M series lines) in favor of more complicated ones like the ZPA/ZX/Ti lines, problems started to crop up and hurt the image of PG (see #2 above).
Then things started to nose dive with the Xs/Ryval/Rsd/Qx lines and 1, 2, 3 from above all took hits to varying degrees.
There were moments when I thought PG was going to get back on track like with the Tantrum/Xenon lines but they did not stand out from the rest of the worlds offerings and to a degree had hardware quality issues.

I personally think the biggest mistake PG ever made was to try and expand into too many areas like speakers, headunits, and the real one offs like alternators. (Will this be an issue now that AAMP owns the name? I don't know.) This was a group that originally did one thing great "engineering". I don't know who left the company or what time tables changed or who made what internal directive but that quickly dimished after the M series lines.

To be fair the Rsd/Sapphire lines where not really bad (heck I owned a Sapphire and loved it) but they did not keep up 1, 2, or 3 or improve those.

So now that I've vented because there is someone here now that can actually do something about it going forward we can use this info to help find out where the PG brand should go in the future. The engineering of the product has to come back period. The simple design has to come back second. PG is no longer a company, it is a brand, and as such the only thing that will set it apart from others design, so maybe design needs to be first now?

A) PG the company was one of the first that realized that audiophiles would love to show their equipment off (MS2250 specifically), so that would have to be addressed.
B) The old logo has to be ditched in favor of the modern (think like an apple rebrand, simple/classic/elegant) because the type of people who bought PG in the past are the type that will buy it in the future. This also ties to the design of the chassis of the equipment (durable/simple).
C) Set the brand apart from others by some form of engineering (Triple Darlington, HDMI, Onboard cleansweep, onboard bass cube, fiber interconnects, self adjusting amplifier, etc) in other words not like the Ryval or Qx lines.

I know that I am throwing this out there a little late as we've already been teased, but maybe it's not too late.

On a lighter note I like the following:
-"Ash" concept, a new era for PG to contrast it's golden years (M series that were white, as if I had to say it).
-The idea of having a better website like JL's.
-Fiber interconnects (TBA style, screw the head unit manufactures let them catch up!)
-Two lines, a high end line (flagship and limited editions that are just color/minor design changes from the the flagship) and a middle of the road line (what the majority get).
-A more uniform offering of wiring, accessories, and interconnects.

I dislike the following:
-HDMI, it came it will go, still sending electrical current though a wire vs light in a fiber.
-Better or any speakers, components, or etc that takes away from the need to focus on what made PG - PG (I know I will get a lot of flack for this one).

My idea:
A self adjusting amplifier, it ships with a small wired mic that connects to the amplifier that gets placed near the speakers and it detects when speakers are clipping and self adjust the gains (of course leave a manual override for people like us

). Now that would be a engineering gold star!

Wow didn't mean this to turn in to some business plan/marketing pow wow.

deathcloud · Post by **deathcloud** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:02 pm

Stereo Junkie wrote: There is something to be said for K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Rofl that is funny. That is what stipud put as well. I have never heard of that till now. Guess it is a popular belief.

ChaosWarlord26 · Post by **ChaosWarlord26** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:55 pm

deathcloud wrote:
Stereo Junkie wrote: There is something to be said for K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid).
Rofl that is funny. That is what stipud put as well. I have never heard of that till now. Guess it is a popular belief.

Very much so..... too much over thinking complicates things

callmemrbunnz · Post by **callmemrbunnz** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 pm

i agree with the power and speaker inputs bein on the same side thats annoying to deal with also i always hated when the terminal screws are underneath so u have to either lift up or flip your amp upside down to loosen anything. another thing is put true rms power specs and other specs. most amps do the 6000d and it only does 2500 or less and dont labely their efficiency either. now days its hard buyin new things from companies because you dont know if its quality or they took a cheap route on their lines to make some easy money after making a great line the year before

callmemrbunnz · Post by **callmemrbunnz** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:17 pm

http://phoenixphorum.com/got-this-in-th ... 11750.html this would be awesome to see on amps i havent seen anything like this anywhere else

ElToro · Post by **ElToro** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:32 pm

I agree, you have the perfect opportunity to use a PHOENIX as a logo.
''The ReBirth'', could be a slogan.

1-Lets see those guts. The MS series was the best layout (pleasing to the eye).
2-THD must stay low, for SQ.
3-Faned and shrouwded amps are very cool. (specially to view the guts)
4-keep the heat sing simple like the MS series
5-inputs/outputs on the same end.

I love the MS series, I would love to see the rebirth and the chance to purchace these amps (if they are built true to the old school versions). When they came out I was still in school and did not have the means to get the big ones. I was able to purchace an MS-275 and it has been the best amp I heave ever used.

Now, let's see if PG will deliver the goods or just try to feed us another POS like the other manufactures out there.

OldSchoolFool · Post by **OldSchoolFool** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:09 pm

"As for the amp design, look no further than the Roadster 66. Clean dark looks and a square shape."

Thank you Tom.

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:57 am

Has this been posted in the thread yet?

http://www.twice.com/article/355455-Aam ... o_Div_.php

Irongoats · Post by **Irongoats** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:05 am

Well that would explain the new direction PG is going according to this thread.

MW3 · Post by **MW3** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:02 pm

We are working away on new goodies.

That is the intentionally vague update for now.

brenzbmr@sb · Post by **brenzbmr@sb** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:33 pm

wow so many good suggestions.

jim still keeping it real. oh i didnt know julie was your wife.

i know i had to speak to a "julie" sometimes when i was at the pg dealer

for somethings i cant remember...

i see alot of reference to building the old ms amps. sad to say they were great during there time but there is better amps today.

what i would suggest is building an amplifier with the same goals as the ms amp

which iirc was "to build the finest car audio amplifer period"

today technologies with some great designing can make an amplifier with the same goal.

i agree with the symetrical look of the ms amp..those are one of the most nicest amps to look at...

imo that the new xi exile amps are very appealing kinda like the ipaul amps..simple, elegent and the brushed black is sweet.

pg really needs to go back to the roots..

wiring is a must and pg was tru ballahs when it came to wires, they would actually have liteture that would explain the importance of wires and alternators.. again back to what someone commented on about educating your customers or anyone for that matter.

i agree with the spl is more popular then sq. hands down it is.

jim i think putting out 18s is not a bad idea for a manufactor especially if they are good at making subs.

18s are not only for kiddies, i have heard 18s sound really good in cars.
and we both know this can be accomplished by proper system design and set up...do we wanna give up trunk room for a 18? probably not, but there is no 10 thats gonna give that gut wrenching kick like a large sub..
sound wise yeah i heard 10s that can play deep and still preform but it has it limits...
a good example of this is the TI elite. i have yet till today heard a 12 that plays low freq as effecient and with authority like that 12 does...but the trade off is it doesnt do very well on the upper more common bass notes.
so i have bass toned down and midbass drivers are my relying force for impact..
i wish u guys could actually hear this thing in my car, its very impressive for a single 12 running off of 2 ms 2125s. iirc i did 136db on a termlab at 30hz...illhave to verify that though

verified
Gaby 131.4 / 25hz (PG Elite12, 2x PG MS2125 400x1)
Gaby 132.0 / 26hz (PG Elite12, 2x PG MS2125 400x1)
Gaby 140.7 / 30hz (PG Elite12, 2x PG MS2125 400x1)

it shakes walls when it hits and can be heard and felt..i built this system because some but nut on a lex forum told me i cant fit 5 cubes in my lex trunk...fked him all up.

then some other ass fart said i couldnt hit over 135 with my 12 running less then 1000 watts so i replied to him with not only will i but ill do it at a frequency way lower then 50hz.
i spent 2 days just designing this box on box programs and i took rta readings of the car to figure a common transfer function to kinda get me in a ball park figure..my ulitmate goal here was to make this thing play extremly low and loud with less then 1k in power.

since i had the equipment i just needed the time.

but anyway im drifting

i just wanna say jim there is some really good 18s and though they dont sell alot maybe in your market because your market is of the higher tier and the cars im sure u work on dont have space to throw away for that limits u to being more practical with the fact that these people have money and trust u to make there cars sound perfect..which is good.

i personally feel there is a market for larger woofers and they are not just for the kiddies but for everyone who wants some real kick.

oh btw didnt jl market 18s couple of years ago and i think the shop we were at sold more 18s then the 15s w6s and w3s..i know i was getting tired of trying to fit 18s in civic hatchbacks..

again like i said earlier

pg can make a comeback but i think that someones rebirth comment is just what it needs...
k I S S is another aspect that should be concidered...

i would like to see a oem intergration product much like a rf 360 in that lineup..
but 5.1 shouldnt be a big factor as i agree that 5.1 in car is not taking off, maybe just offer it as a plug in or something like that.

keep the amp lineup and sub lineup simple, medium , pimp..

when actually designing the pimp amps i think one thing should be kept in mind, upgradability.

make the audiophile amps really good so that u really dont need to change them every 3 years. that i think would keep cost down on R&D
good example is the MS line, they updated boards but it simply was still teh same amp minus some different parts or mods. didnt that amp lineup run for about 6 years.

shows consumers that "hey that amps 4 years old and still on the market"
must be good.

i still like the whole zapco dc ref style of amps and the features are sweet.

just make them sound better

( i dont mean that ina bad way those amps are nice)

jim i would love to actually audition audison, and if i make it to ohio( my younger brother lives there, drives truck up and down the coast) i am gonna come knocking on your shop door and demand a listen

im glad that phoenix gold can get a chance to come out of the ashes and
make a difference.

i have really alot more suggestions but my fingers are sore..
aloha

OH PG should rehire Larry F. complete the circle...

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