Sneak Peek

Post by **Rold Gold** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:51 am

As corny as it may be, I'd like to see a bridge/link for the entry level gear. I prefer a clean install with asmuch wire tuck as possible.

deathcloud · Post by **deathcloud** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:23 am

CORNY ALERT! hahaha jk

It is sunday. Lets see this!!!!!

Post by **smgreen20** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:06 pm

I agree w/Fuzz. I too would like to see a bridge link. Even for the upper end line.

If my grandmas estate money (my portion) is enough after the other necessities, I will be getting a top line sub amp and 4 ch amp from PG.

NewOldStock · Post by **NewOldStock** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:03 pm

FuzzyHoNutz wrote:As corny as it may be, I'd like to see a bridge/link for the entry level gear. I prefer a clean install with asmuch wire tuck as possible.

Ah yeah... that would be nice! a link for each amp line... though on the upper line it would be nice to be able to display the board (plexi) - if you didnt want to do that, linking them would be excellent.

AAAAAAA · Post by **AAAAAAA** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:30 pm

I am glad PG seems to have new ownership that seems to want to put PG back on the map however....

Aside from being "new" looks, there is nothing that would make me want to get them because they don't seem to differentiate themselves from others accept with looks it seems (I wont count the engineering aspect because all companies use that "card")

-100 x 4 amps are common power wise these days
-Big amps are what PG has always been about but that's not where the market seems to be going IMO. There are a millions brands out there with BIG(in power and size) amps.
-Same old feature set IE: xovers that won't work on a tweet. No bandpass.

Basically they seem deprived of innovation, just sticking with the same old. As I remember the same old didn't work to well before after everything went overseas.

Even though I am pessimistic, I am still exited in seeing the CES stuff.
Any of the stuff made in the US?
Is PG getting back into making processors?
Any plans for small footprint?

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:39 pm

AAAAAAA wrote:I am glad PG seems to have new ownership that seems to want to put PG back on the map however....

Aside from being "new" looks, there is nothing that would make me want to get them because they don't seem to differentiate themselves from others accept with looks it seems (I wont count the engineering aspect because all companies use that "card")

-100 x 4 amps are common power wise these days
-Big amps are what PG has always been about but that's not where the market seems to be going IMO. There are a millions brands out there with BIG(in power and size) amps.
-Same old feature set IE: xovers that won't work on a tweet. No bandpass.

Basically they seem deprived of innovation, just sticking with the same old. As I remember the same old didn't work to well before after everything went overseas.

Even though I am pessimistic, I am still exited in seeing the CES stuff.
Any of the stuff made in the US?
Is PG getting back into making processors?
Any plans for small footprint?

What would be "new" in your opinion? Not trying to be confrontational, I'm just wondering.

If 100x4 is common, what isn't common then? I don't see the point in being uncommon if you can't find a place in the market for your uncommon product. Is there a gap in the market an uncommon PG product could fill?

Do you want to see PG make big amps or not, I'm not quite sure which you'd prefer. Either way, Morgan did say there would be big power monoblocks in small to large foot prints.

The high end line WILL have bandpass and xovers that can be used on a tweet (x10), or so we've been told. The amp that was shown is an entry level amp and the number of people in the market for entry level amps that will be running active is probably quite low. Active is a higher end feature.

Nothing will be made in the USA from all the info we've had thus far. No word on processors yet but Morgan already said there would be small footprint amps earlier in this thread.

AAAAAAA · Post by **AAAAAAA** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:32 am

^Thought I read everything the PG tech said in this thread, guess I missed some info or it was in other threads.

Well I am def interested now

Sorry for speaking without having researched enough.

MW3 · Post by **MW3** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:31 am

Update time:

Guys this is a prototype of upper line Class D monoblock. Keep in mind, its a PROTOTYPE, so please don't over analyze this thing down to a single cold solder joint.

Instead I hope you can get a feel for the direction we are going...

- Overbuilt Dual Unregulated Power Supplies
- Handwound Power Supply Transformers
- Big Nasty Power Supply FETs
- Isolated Pre-amp Section
- Aluminum shaft potentiometers
- Easy click settings for exact crossover settings
- Panel Mounted RCAs
- 1/0 to 4 Gauge Power Terminals
- All Monoblocks are 1 ohm stable and strappable
- Clip Indicators
- Audio Precision System Two Production Line testing
- Extruded Aluminum heatsink with Evenflow techonology
- Heatsink features 10g per mm of mass (most amps are 7g per mm)
- Integrated cooling via endcap vents
- Each amp is shipped in its own soft felt protective cover

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:17 am

now thats lookin goooooood!!! although that may be outta my price range, just like the old days.

Post by **joerg** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:34 am

MW3 wrote:Update time:
Keep in mind, its a PROTOTYPE, so please don't over analyze this thing down to a single cold solder joint.

Seems like u learned the rules in here very fast

Looking very good! Even though i´m not a monoblock guy. I wish i could be in Vegas for the CES

bruther · Post by **bruther** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:31 am

I'll take two.

ChaosWarlord26 · Post by **ChaosWarlord26** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:38 am

X2 ^^

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:25 am

not too shabby..........

deathcloud · Post by **deathcloud** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:41 am

Man that thing is going to be pure pwnage. It looks so sick. Has great features. And is stable at 1 ohm. That is what I need due to my DVC 2 ohm sub. I can't wait.

Maybe this is an idiotic question but is it going to have a plexi on the bottom to show off those cool innards?

ChaosWarlord26 · Post by **ChaosWarlord26** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:49 am

deathcloud wrote:Man that thing is going to be pure pwnage. It looks so sick. Has great features. And is stable at 1 ohm. That is what I need due to my DVC 2 ohm sub. I can't wait.

Maybe this is an idiotic question but is it going to have a plexi on the bottom to show off those cool innards?

Don't count on it. They are going to have to be successful for a year or so before that comes down the line.

Post by **Eric D** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:53 am

I really like that amp so far.

I would prefer to see big output FETs as well as the power supply FETs though. Also, it looks really high quality, except for the clamps on the transistors. I realize it is a prototype, but a different clamp shape would be a good thought. Solid bars instead of the channel bars look a lot better if you ask me.

Also, can you guys really consider using Sanken MT200 package transistors in the high end A/B amps? Not only would this be one hell of a marketing bullet, but they take up less room for their power, which could allow for a smaller amp overall.

dwnrodeo · Post by **dwnrodeo** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:54 am

ChaosWarlord26 wrote:
deathcloud wrote:Man that thing is going to be pure pwnage. It looks so sick. Has great features. And is stable at 1 ohm. That is what I need due to my DVC 2 ohm sub. I can't wait.

Maybe this is an idiotic question but is it going to have a plexi on the bottom to show off those cool innards?
Don't count on it. They are going to have to be successful for a year or so before that comes down the line.

Also, if they were going to show the guts, (which I'm assuming they're not given that the amp has a heatsink on the bottom and we've seen the cover for the top) they'd make the board a little more aesthetically pleasing, i.e. not brown. Maybe this is just for the prototype, I'm not sure.

AAAAAAA · Post by **AAAAAAA** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:39 am

fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:
Nothing will be made in the USA from all the info we've had thus far. No word on processors yet but Morgan already said there would be small footprint amps earlier in this thread.

Small footprint as in full range amps or the usual monoblocks?

PRecise xover control is pretty nice.

audiophyle_247 · Post by **audiophyle_247** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:24 am

Is there an estimated release date for this lineup?

andy600rr · Post by **andy600rr** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:04 pm

Ohh.. that does look nice.

I'm probably going to be the only one to say this, but amp aside, Shipping it with a felt cover is a nice little touch.

If I open a box and remove my amp in a felt cover, I'm gonna feel like I've purchased a high quality product vs. pulling it out of a plastic bag.

I know that this has NOTHING to do with the amplifiers themselves but from a marketing aspect I think its great.

NewOldStock · Post by **NewOldStock** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:12 pm

Excellent!

I do agree that a plexi window/top/bottom would be SWEET, as long as you went with a non-brown board... I cant remember where I saw it, but I do remember seeing a purple board that looked decent and more than one blue board that looked good...

Never been a fan of red boards personally, but its a thought.

Love how open it looks, without a bunch of daughter boards or clutter. I also agree that the solid bars look much better than the wires, but if its never going to be on display, that doesnt matter much!

THANKS FOR THE SNEAK!

Post by **Eric D** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:13 pm

andy600rr wrote:Ohh.. that does look nice.

I'm probably going to be the only one to say this, but amp aside, Shipping it with a felt cover is a nice little touch.

If I open a box and remove my amp in a felt cover, I'm gonna feel like I've purchased a high quality product vs. pulling it out of a plastic bag.

I know that this has NOTHING to do with the amplifiers themselves but from a marketing aspect I think its great.

That is an excellent point, and I completely agree with you.

bruther · Post by **bruther** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:53 pm

I can't get enough of the tri LED's. That was always something that I loved about the Ti/ZX series.

Morgan,
Is there any chance that we can expect a Limited Edition amp next year?

Thanks
Brian

Irongoats · Post by **Irongoats** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:20 pm

Looks really good Morgan now what's the suggested price? hahaha

Post by **smgreen20** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:10 pm

I'm hooked. Now reel me in.

I need/want a 4 ch that's 100+ x 4, and a mono amp that's 1500-2000 x 1 @ 2 ohms.

What's the guesstimated footprint size of these?

If I have enough of my G-ma's estate $$ left over I'm getting one. Sub amp first, followed by the 4 ch. I can live w/my ZX450v2 for now if I have to.

The outside of that amp looks sweet. I like the looks of it so far and I'm loving the innards too. Just need to do something w/the color of the board, weather it'll be covered up or not and I hate jumpers. Use the solid bars per Eric's thought. It'll look 10x better and not look so cheap.

Keep up the good work, you realize you're killing us all don't you?