mmmm...I love the smell of burnt electrolyte in the morning

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:41 pm

ok guys...here it is....I am shamed on this one...

it was pissing rain out and I saw it in the crate in the trunk of a jetta...I didn't pull the braces at all or I would have seen the ding in the front....

got it home and saw that...then I took a wiff and nearly wretched...opened it up and parts of burnt board and caps started falling out....I did get both for 300 when the other amp was covered in dust bunnies so it isn't an absolute loss...the 2500 is looking better everyday....

this is toast...I doubt I could repair it beyond new boards...would really have to cut a new board to bridge in to a good cutting point and it burnt good and hot....the m 50 looks like the transformer is toast....the board under it is...I figure and m50 and a new m100 and it would be a mediocre outlaw...great toss it in and run it outlaw but minty she'll never be ....could powdercoat...or send it to jacamph to cut the face and built a sick ass plexi and have our very own Matt pc it for a bad ass custom job....be slick..I don't know...as stated it is Itchys....if it was mine I would harvest the boards and have the case on the next thing to Jason...board swap is easy and could get in to both amps pretty cheap.....dead m100 on the bay and i can get an m50 back on a trade if I must but I'd have to give up something cool for sure....Leeds....but it ain't mine...less itchy wants to work something out cause I kinda like that idea....

so the outlaw is being stalked all over Itchy......oh.....yeah...numbers don't match between the amp and the crate...

Post by **Rold Gold** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:49 pm

.................deezam homie......

Totally rebuildable though..... Not a lost cause by any means......

itchnertamatoa · Post by **itchnertamatoa** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:53 pm

M50 board, I have Chris, so basically just need a M100 as I'm not going to open the mint one I have

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:53 pm

no...but if I knew the extent I would have took it for 100 bucks...some of our norse volk here would pay eye teeth for a nice outlaw crate alone....hahahhhaaaaaa just pulling your leg Pedi!!!!!!

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:55 pm

what do you think Itchy...send it off to Jason...the ding is noticeable for sure...I think it would be soooo sweet if done right...and I think he would be the man for that task

itchnertamatoa · Post by **itchnertamatoa** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:56 pm

let's see what Doc, Matt and Jason say on this one ...
custom plexy cover with custom sink .....
I like the idea

Post by **mhyde71** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:58 pm

if it works out and all that- I could really use a brass insert for DDD's outlaw i am working on- one of his is stripped and i was going to just swap/flip it around and hard wire the speaker out to the brass insert so the screw would work in the front end... IF whatever hapopens to this and is possible i know DDD would appreciate it...

Just one brass insert for speaker terminal- but do what you guys are gonna do- but keep me and DDD in mind if possible that would be shizam

BUT for all intents and purposes- i think it could be restored fairly easy enough-

Thisk i thought i saw an m100 on the bay recently as a damged 100- but might have been sold... iirc

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:00 am

is your m50 with you? I should snag the one on ebay up cause if it isn't toasted like the I can rework the board....not much I couldn't do on an m100 as I repaired all the ones I had minus the one I got from Jason....

Post by **mhyde71** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:02 am

well i typed all that before you guys went off that idea...

but/and again i think it can be restored... think jason is man for metal fab... and if you want it anodized or pc'ed (keep in mind only aluminum can be anodized), i can make it happen what ever color scheme you would like itchy

Post by **mhyde71** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:04 am

how do ppl let things get this bad?
what was that kid like?

did all this go in one shot? or was it they fucked one side- so they tried on the other and fucked that side >?

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:04 am

I am not sure what brass insert screw you mean Matt...I may have one...pic....

Post by **mhyde71** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:06 am

uh, you know that shaft /bar brass insert for the speaker terminal(s)
you screw the set screws in where you tie the speaker wire into...?
Inside the black speaker terminal housing

Outlaw is under bed in crate right now...
BUT one of those smaller speaker, or remote, brass insert(s)

Post by **mhyde71** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:10 am

one of these

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:10 am

my guess would be that the amps were tied together with no or improper fusing...dead short a cable and good bye power supply....he was a redneck that half acted like a mandingo....is that politically correct? I guess wigger from a town of 4000.....and he came in a truck and then the amps came in a car...it was fucked.....

thought I was meeting at a house and took my multi and tools....but no....he was a dumbass

I suspect that he killed the mps....ran it at four ohms and thought no power...clipped it to oblivion....I didn't even realized it was an mps till misfire came down and I asked him bout the funny end plate....ha ha ha...shit I'd never had one...had no idea!!!!

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:12 am

I have some....should be at least one good one in the box somewhere...have the terminals and the blocks....

I'll take a look and get one in an usps box asap.....

itchnertamatoa · Post by **itchnertamatoa** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:13 am

well, if we're going to change the boards, guess we could use the other as spares for whoever really needs them o get an amp working, not just to have as spares ...

Post by **Rold Gold** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:15 am

Have we solidified a silkscreener to redo the M series/Outlaw as of yet.......?

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:19 am

the audio paths are fine...a little discolored but the fuses saved the audio side of the boards....

most component will most likely test within tolerance.....I can use a great deal of that to get dead amps going....if we are parting them out I want the actual dead board for resistors and the bjt's......if used in the same series they will help to test amps to locate issues....then install new parts...it is handy....i've got some spare outlaw parts around here too

and if people need the m, tantrum, and some ti speaker terminals I have bags and bags of em in white....a few in black....just to toss that out there...let me know....I am all for assisting folks with their endeavors.....

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:20 am

we should actually start a thread....more a co op for pg guys and techie types for projects...it is becoming more and more common for folks to start this kind of stuff and it would be a big help to people trying to learn and get involved in this hobby

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:24 am

not that I have heard...we do need that hook up badly....someone want to start a side hobby on here? the machines and stuff are only a few grand....

Post by **mhyde71** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:26 am

FuzzyHoNutz wrote:Have we solidified a silkscreener to redo the M series/Outlaw as of yet.......?

i have the artwork ready to go (well sorta anyways) NON-oem as shown in other threads... but that was at the request/directive of the member that wanted that done.
I have the mesh
i have the frames

I need to mount the mesh on frames, and find someone to expose the artwork to screens.

PROBLEM I am finding #1 is the cost, time and cost of time. and time to go through and trace all that OEM artwork, and get it set up... i have a table i built just for it to do that stuff, but need to get some plungers to/for registration for the frames to sit. and find someone that can stretch the mesh onto the frames...

AND that fricken ink is so damn expensive... in order to get the detail we want you have to have like 355TPI or better- I have 405, and the ink that will pass through those small of holes is very costly- and the ink to go onto acrylic is even more costly and gallon is minimum order $308/gallon

someone has done it before - think spirit... his silk-screen that did should have the artwork we need- or better yet the screens- SS'ers typically keep that shit around so they dont have to keep doing it- unless he felt confident that he would never do it again

It's a lot of work... i would like to find a different way of applying the artwork- I think perhaps a template of sorts and airbrush it on- i dunno, but i think making one template that can be used and used and as different colors as the job demands is best most economical way

Post by **Rold Gold** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:28 am

WERD!!!!!!

It could be broken down by amp/series.....
Cap swap digikey part numbers......
Any "_______ is common in this amp" tech notes and tips.......

Yer onto something there Chris........

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:29 am

cardstock template and pressed out of frisk film...all in how clean the lines are...I have a spray booth and all the airbrush stuff one could need for that size stuff including about 200 house of color samples bottles....templating that would be the real bitch....have to be 100 percent on the money or you are fucked

itchnertamatoa · Post by **itchnertamatoa** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:31 am

bogart wrote:not that I have heard...we do need that hook up badly....someone want to start a side hobby on here? the machines and stuff are only a few grand....

links to actual machines needed?
I may be able to talk my boss in getting them

bogart · Post by **bogart** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:33 am

Itchy....you are the man for sure....please save me from fucking up an amp with an airbrush....I am learning...but I have access to pro's.....let me ask my brother in law bout that...