problem with Audio Art 200.2

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:26 am

this morning amps arrived home!
so I take pics and scan paperwork.
here I post 800x600 but I have also the 3072x2304 ones.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:32 am

here you can see:
the board with quite all caps changed
a particular of the place where caps were leaking
transistor of the signal part

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:43 am

and the paperwork.
it say:
difetto riscontrato: non emette suono, potenza mancante.

(problem found: it doesn't sound, leaking (less) of power.

descrizione del lavoro effettuato: ripristinato circuito come da originale, sostituzione completa condensatori d'ingresso - bypass alimentazione, controllo tensioni, collaudo.

(description of what was done: restoring of original circuit, cap changing of signal part - supply bypass part, voltage test, testing (by ears).

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:34 am

please Randy can you reply my pm?
thanks

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:05 am

I can say DB has not been on all that much

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:54 am

kg1961 wrote:I can say DB has not been on all that much

thank you
sorry what does it means ''all that much''?

I see db was online today, I think that pm section maybe has problems, or maybe he was using a cell phone to visit the forum so he couldn't see easily the pms.. I don't know but I try the way of writing here.

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:05 am

I know i just sent him a zx350v2 crome and he would not respond to my pm all that fast(couple of days ect) so I think he is on a phone or something like that
Thats just me and Im not covering or anything like that
just letting you know how it was when i delt with him in june/july this year

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:03 am

so thank you again

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:43 am

sent a pm to dbincognito
the pm appears in the ''outbox'' section for some day
then the pm disappear (it doesn't go into the ''sentbox'' section)
any idea?
it's the second time it happens!

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:39 am

Opened a dispute on Paypal.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:38 am

the two big caps changement (and also the other small ones on the right) and vision of the board eaten by leaking. Photo show it I can't lie. Sorry but I can't show you pics in pm.

Post by **ttocs** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:50 am

I am confused, you bought a 10+yr old amp and you are suprised the caps need to be replaced? Was it sold as new in box or what I mean it is the equivilant of buying a used car.

I got an eq two months ago that was needed repairing even though it was supposed to be good to go. Stuff happens when you buy used equipment, that is the game we play...

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:58 am

When I buy and pay an amplifier that seller says in perfect elettronic condition and that it sounds sweet, I can't receive an amp that doesn't sound because it has caps leaking and wrong transistor installed.

If you want I have to offer you an M100 with power supply section all burned up, at the same price as a used in perfect working order one.. Are you interested??

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:04 am

That's where you went through the board with your iron there, or can you not see 3 holes there.....every post you make revolves around me, why don't you move along and try to scam someone else, cause it's obvious that it's not working on me.....it's this simple, I sent you a working amp....you decided to take it all apart in a attempt to do something. Then you had to send it to a tech to fix your work. Your first option was to send the amp back to me, with me paying for return shipping, you chose not to do this. Instead you decided to work on it yourself, this nullifies any responsibility I would have.....not to mention if the amp didn't work most people wouldn't hesitate to return it at no cost to them. The pictures you have posted clearly show the capacitors are not leaking and that someone went through the board with a soldering iron. I just sold one of my power supplys to The Golden One...so it's pretty obvious I test all of my amps, and every amp I've ever sold has been exactly as described, so like I said before....move along cause your not going to get any money from me.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:06 am

by the way I'm not saying Randy lied to me, everyone can fail.. but now he must try to understand and see what happened and help me, give caesar what is of caesar imho..

If it was to get 70 euro.. with all the time I spent on this amp I would probably could buy a Brax!

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:24 am

dBincognito wrote:That's where you went through the board with your iron there, or can you not see 3 holes there.....
I never use iron on caps (tech do it), holes are made by leaking.
every post you make revolves around me, why don't you move along and try to scam someone else, cause it's obvious that it's not working on me.....it's this simple, I sent you a working amp....you decided to take it all apart in a attempt to do something.
To do something ''what''?? ''Hi I'm Nicola I take amps apart..'' be serious!

Then you had to send it to a tech to fix your work. Your first option was to send the amp back to me, with me paying for return shipping, you chose not to do this.
You never propose me this, screenshot pm if you have..

Instead you decided to work on it yourself, this nullifies any responsibility I would have.....not to mention if the amp didn't work most people wouldn't hesitate to return it at no cost to them.
As I said before I try myself with forum supervisor to not spend money on it, then you say ''I have no problem paying the repair'' so I decided to ship it to a tech. You never propose me to sent it back gratis.

The pictures you have posted clearly show the capacitors are not leaking and that someone went through the board with a soldering iron. I just sold one of my power supplys to The Golden One...so it's pretty obvious I test all of my amps, and every amp I've ever sold has been exactly as described, so like I said before....move along cause your not going to get any money from me.

pics show caps pop up and board eaten by caps.
probably you didn't test this one or you didn't know how to test bacause in the first pm you asked me if I used a line driver maybe this was the solution.. be serious man.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:44 am

Nico156 wrote:
dBincognito wrote:That's where you went through the board with your iron there, or can you not see 3 holes there.....
I never use iron on caps (tech do it), holes are made by leaking.
every post you make revolves around me, why don't you move along and try to scam someone else, cause it's obvious that it's not working on me.....it's this simple, I sent you a working amp....you decided to take it all apart in a attempt to do something.
To do something ''what''?? ''Hi I'm Nicola I take amps apart..'' be serious!

Then you had to send it to a tech to fix your work. Your first option was to send the amp back to me, with me paying for return shipping, you chose not to do this.
You never propose me this, screenshot pm if you have..

Instead you decided to work on it yourself, this nullifies any responsibility I would have.....not to mention if the amp didn't work most people wouldn't hesitate to return it at no cost to them.
As I said before I try myself with forum supervisor to not spend money on it, then you say ''I have no problem paying the repair'' so I decided to ship it to a tech. You never propose me to sent it back gratis.

The pictures you have posted clearly show the capacitors are not leaking and that someone went through the board with a soldering iron. I just sold one of my power supplys to The Golden One...so it's pretty obvious I test all of my amps, and every amp I've ever sold has been exactly as described, so like I said before....move along cause your not going to get any money from me.
pics show caps pop up and board eaten by caps.
probably you didn't test this one or you didn't know how to test bacause in the first pm you asked me if I used a line driver maybe this was the solution.. be serious man.

HOW ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK EVER

Your story has changed so many times, first the amp had sound, then it didn't power up.....and you worked on the amp....so SUCK A DICK.

I know how to write with crayons too

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:03 am

don't be nervous.. color needed to part what you said and what I said..

Story is always the same.. you can see by this thread, other forum thread, pms, emails..

when I say that it don't power up?? I also wrote the voltage people ask me to search!

Try to add proves of what you are saying in your defence or it will always seem that you have something to hide us..

for mods:
I'm confused to see how I have been told ''rude'' because I write offtopic these days and instead he can write some kind of crazyness..

Post by **ttocs** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:07 am

if randy scammed you then you are the first in many many sales. i would have to agree that if there was a problem it should have gone back to him as he could have fixed it and if there were a problem he would have fixed it. LEaky caps in an old amp is not a big deal and the board still looks to be in usable condition, not like it is unde plexi. not sure about the transistors but it seems we are not getting the whole story. Like I said same thing happened to me two months ago but I didn't try to drag that member name through the mud. When you buy used gear you run the risk of getting gear that is used. sounds like it powered up at one time?

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:29 am

First option was to return the amp to me, he wanted to keep it b/c he has another one of these amps. First he said the amplifier had sound, but that it wasn't loud enough....both channels worked though. Then he begin taking the amplifier all apart. In this thread.

http://forum.audiocarstereo.it/showthread.php?t=21779

Funny all the posts have been edited now, like I can't see that.

He took like 3/4 of the parts off the board, before he edited all those posts.

Previous page, I had him test for dc offset.....and since he doesn't know what that is or what's it's for....he did it, and posted that he got 5mv....this means the amp is fine, as told and shown in our How To here. He's also not mentioning that he took it to a tech who told him the amp was fine, this was before he started taking it apart. This piece of paper he's showing is from the second tech he took it to......after he worked on the amp.

If the caps were leaking ( which has yet to be shown ) they would need to be changed.....but I change leaking caps usually before I sell anything, and if I don't, I clearly show the electrolytic fluid on the board. All you have shown is a clean board with no electrolytic fluid on it with a hole where someone burned through it with a soldering iron......I think enough of us have seen what damage leaking capacitors actually do.

Try to add proves of what you are saying in your defence or it will always seem that you have something to hide us

I really don't have to prove anything, if you want to leave me bad feedback, go ahead. It won't bother me b/c I won't be dealing with the likes of you or anyone else that has less than 100 posts. I've done plenty of good business on here, Ebay, CACO, and other sites, and I'll be doing even more good business in the future. I just don't really have time for scammers anymore, I'm getting too old to play games anymore. He's just trying to make a scene b/c PayPal denied his claim....cause I already talked to them.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:43 am

hope blu color doesn't offend you..

ttocs wrote:if randy scammed you then you are the first in many many sales.
I know I'm not have been lucky at all.. Have 50 post from italy and have a problem with an old and extimated member of this forum..

i would have to agree that if there was a problem it should have gone back to him as he could have fixed it and if there were a problem he would have fixed it.
He never proposed me this. And you had to think that I spent quite 90 usd for shipping. I also don't ask him to send it back ofcourse. 80 usd amp and 90 usd ship how can we talk about a back shipping??

LEaky caps in an old amp is not a big deal and the board still looks to be in usable condition,
so the amp was not in perfect elettronic condition.. and most important I don't ever holed the board with iron (how can someone think a thing like this? the cap was over the 3 holes I couldn't even reach that place with iron! And also Tech would mendtioned in his paperwork if this would be true)

not like it is unde plexi. not sure about the transistors
Man there's a paperwork.. and these months I do everything you told me to do.. The tech found and solve the problem..

but it seems we are not getting the whole story.
I don't understand what is not clear.. Do me all the answer you want then I answer all and give all the prove I can.. don't worry about time cause I want we get peace here..

Like I said same thing happened to me two months ago but I didn't try to drag that member name through the mud.
Come on.. This tread is plenty of: thanks randy i really appreciate this, thanks guys for helping, thanks, thanks..
But in these days (''from day to night'') randy escape, didn't answer me anymore and accuse me of braking amp.. so it's obvious my attitude change..

When you buy used gear you run the risk of getting gear that is used. sounds like it powered up at one time?

used not broken.. it sounded like casio watch volume..

longboard · Post by **longboard** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:54 am

i dont know what is going on here buit the two pics are not of the same amp??

look at the torroid windings!!

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:06 am

longboard wrote:i dont know what is going on here buit the two pics are not of the same amp??

look at the torroid windings!!

Is that all you noticed

Look at the fuses, then look at the little gold heatsinks on the bottom right of the amp.

Post by **ttocs** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:08 am

longboard wrote:i dont know what is going on here buit the two pics are not of the same amp??

look at the torroid windings!!

and it gets INTERESTING....

BA BAH BAAHHHHHHHHH(interesting music).

longboard · Post by **longboard** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:09 am

oh and the fact that the 8 pin chip is in a socket on one and not the other!!