longboard wrote:i dont know what is going on here buit the two pics are not of the same amp??
look at the torroid windings!!
and it gets INTERESTING....
BA BAH BAAHHHHHHHHH(interesting music).
I could go on, all of the little capacitors are different or replaced, there is a different op amp also in that area.......how much do I need to say here.
dBincognito wrote:First option was to return the amp to me, he wanted to keep it b/c Take a screenshot of where you ask me return.. What does it mean ''b/c''?
he has another one of these amps. Yes I had another 2 of these what the problem?
One of the good one I have gets the tech able to found that transistor were not right in the brown-broken ex-yours one..
First he said the amplifier had sound, but that it wasn't loud enough.... wasn't loud enough.. I say it sound very very very low like it has 5 watt per channel
both channels worked though. Then he begin taking the amplifier all apart. In this thread. you all can see and translate that it's the same measurement I mention here in phoenixphorum and important you can see I never de-soldered anything, I only solder some points you all told me to do.
Funny all the posts have been edited now, like I can't see that. Look at the date of the editing..
He took like 3/4 of the parts off the board, before he edited all those posts. Never get anything off the board.
Previous page, I had him test for dc offset.....and since he doesn't know what that is or what's it's for....he did it, and posted that he got 5mv....this means the amp is fine, as told and shown in our How To here. He's also not mentioning that he took it to a tech who told him the amp was fine, this was before he started taking it apart. This piece of paper he's showing is from the second tech he took it to......after he worked on the amp. I don't know maybe Dc offset work good probably because there are no burned transistor but the problem tech found is that transistor were not equivalent.. it's a little but important difference.
You wrong translation i told you..
I sent amp (brown one) to tech
He told me the amp has not burned items but the sound in the circuit does't go round
reporting mess 18 of this thread:The amp is given to a technician who is trying to repair it.
He said that internally the amp is ok but he can't understand why the signal doesn't ''turn'', so he need the scheme..
these days I shipped the technician another 200.2 so he can compare the two ones..
Randy I don't send the amp (200.2 brown) to another tech, I send another working amp (200.2 white) to the same tech to help him found the problem without a service manual (remember that i ask manual everywhere and we didn't find it?)
If the caps were leaking ( which has yet to be shown ) they would need to be changed.....but I change leaking caps usually before I sell anything, and if I don't, I clearly show the electrolytic fluid on the board. All you have shown is a clean board with no electrolytic fluid on it with a hole where someone burned through it with a soldering iron......I think enough of us have seen what damage leaking capacitors actually do. Probably it's clean beacause tech clean it no?
Try to add proves of what you are saying in your defence or it will always seem that you have something to hide us
I really don't have to prove anything, if you want to leave me bad feedback, go ahead. It won't bother me b/c I won't be dealing with the likes of you or anyone else that has less than 100 posts. I've done plenty of good business on here, Ebay, CACO, and other sites, and I'll be doing even more good business in the future. I just don't really have time for scammers anymore, I'm getting too old to play games anymore. He's just trying to make a scene b/c PayPal denied his claim....cause I already talked to them.
Paypal denied because I trust you at the begining of this history and i let pass over 45 days from payment..
Yes you did a lot of good deal but this time you fail and sell me a broke one, I prove everything, gave you also site and email of tech to answer him, test you told me, photo you ask me..
Of course you don't have to prove anything.. you are not the person who spent 169 usd for a broken amp plus 13 usd to ship it to tech plus 13 usd to ship another good one to tech plus 90 usd to repair it.
Don't worry Randy you are the person who gain this time
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dBincognito wrote:First option was to return the amp to me, he wanted to keep it b/c Take a screenshot of where you ask me return.. What does it mean ''b/c''?
he has another one of these amps. Yes I had another 2 of these what the problem?
One of the good one I have gets the tech able to found that transistor were not right in the brown-broken ex-yours one..
First he said the amplifier had sound, but that it wasn't loud enough.... wasn't loud enough.. I say it sound very very very low like it has 5 watt per channel
both channels worked though. Then he begin taking the amplifier all apart. In this thread. you all can see and translate that it's the same measurement I mention here in phoenixphorum and important you can see I never de-soldered anything, I only solder some points you all told me to do.
Funny all the posts have been edited now, like I can't see that. Look at the date of the editing..
He took like 3/4 of the parts off the board, before he edited all those posts. Never get anything off the board.
Previous page, I had him test for dc offset.....and since he doesn't know what that is or what's it's for....he did it, and posted that he got 5mv....this means the amp is fine, as told and shown in our How To here. He's also not mentioning that he took it to a tech who told him the amp was fine, this was before he started taking it apart. This piece of paper he's showing is from the second tech he took it to......after he worked on the amp. I don't know maybe Dc offset work good probably because there are no burned transistor but the problem tech found is that transistor were not equivalent.. it's a little but important difference.
You wrong translation i told you..
I sent amp (brown one) to tech
He told me the amp has not burned items but the sound in the circuit does't go round
reporting mess 18 of this thread:The amp is given to a technician who is trying to repair it.
He said that internally the amp is ok but he can't understand why the signal doesn't ''turn'', so he need the scheme..
these days I shipped the technician another 200.2 so he can compare the two ones..
Randy I don't send the amp (200.2 brown) to another tech, I send another working amp (200.2 white) to the same tech to help him found the problem without a service manual (remember that i ask manual everywhere and we didn't find it?)
If the caps were leaking ( which has yet to be shown ) they would need to be changed.....but I change leaking caps usually before I sell anything, and if I don't, I clearly show the electrolytic fluid on the board. All you have shown is a clean board with no electrolytic fluid on it with a hole where someone burned through it with a soldering iron......I think enough of us have seen what damage leaking capacitors actually do. Probably it's clean beacause tech clean it no?
Try to add proves of what you are saying in your defence or it will always seem that you have something to hide us
I really don't have to prove anything, if you want to leave me bad feedback, go ahead. It won't bother me b/c I won't be dealing with the likes of you or anyone else that has less than 100 posts. I've done plenty of good business on here, Ebay, CACO, and other sites, and I'll be doing even more good business in the future. I just don't really have time for scammers anymore, I'm getting too old to play games anymore. He's just trying to make a scene b/c PayPal denied his claim....cause I already talked to them.
Paypal denied because I trust you at the begining of this history and i let pass over 45 days from payment..
Yes you did a lot of good deal but this time you fail and sell me a broke one, I prove everything, gave you also site and email of tech to answer him, test you told me, photo you ask me..
Of course you don't have to prove anything.. you are not the person who spent 169 usd for a broken amp plus 13 usd to ship it to tech plus 13 usd to ship another good one to tech plus 90 usd to repair it.
Don't worry Randy you are the person who gain this time
Are you going to ignore the last few posts.....you're scamming ass was busted.
And yes, I made sure we went over 45 days so you couldn't pull any bullshit, like you're tried to do.....I had already talked to PayPal anyway, and now they are going to watch your account. So I wouldn't try scamming anyone again in the near future.
Last edited by dBincognito on Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
Toroid is the same
Gold sink are the same
op amp in the signal path had been changed in the work in progress of tech trying to found the problem (have email of this)
don't know why he add red wire probably there were bad tracks on board
anything else?
thanks considering me so smart to even post two different amps!
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Are you going to ignore the last few posts.....you're scamming ass was busted.
And yes, I made sure we went over 45 days so you couldn't pull any bullshit, like you're tried to do.....I had already talked to PayPal anyway, and now they are going to watch your account. So I wouldn't try scamming anyone again in the near future. Wink
I'm not as fast as you writing in english..
You made sure we went over 45 days so you scam me.
Paypal is not watching anything of mine x-files addicted man you are
Don't worry I would let paypal have all the proves (photo, email, paperwork, bill).. Lets see if they trust me or you..
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i dont mean to jump in, but i seen the pictures in person that were takin before the amp was shiped. they seem to look different. 2 different amps.
i didnt know randy was magical. only 1 amp and 1 picture.
dBincognito wrote:Well you didn't get to rip me off.......so move along little kid, move along.
I've already admitted it man! You scam me! Good job!
The more you say, the funnier this gets. You're only looking like a fool, don't you realize that yet ?
I don't mind at all looking funny at you
I answer and give my reason anyway, I have no problem at all.. Man when you will grow up you will understand that's the person who scammed that had to shame himself not the person who got scammed..
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JK wrote:i dont mean to jump in, but i seen the pictures in person that were takin before the amp was shiped. they seem to look different. 2 different amps.
i didnt know randy was magical. only 1 amp and 1 picture.
don't mean to jump in but you support randy.. and how? talking about pics you take before shipping.. that's funny..
I post pics and paperwork then you post reminds so serious men here
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look at the gold and red wires, they are identical, how can two amp's toroid can be wired at the same kind??
ah.. of course.. i switched them before taking picture!
look even at the scars in the heatsink!
I do it myself?? I've got talent!
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ok ok the last one.. only because I always really liked the game ''find the difference''
Let's see who first of you find a little ''circular line'' on the board that is not a under-board track, it is a defect of the stamp, a ''never can do it two times'' mark..
I help you.. it's near the two new big caps..
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The trace damage in pic one is not there in pic two.
If you look in Pic two the gold trace around the two silver solder spots are clean and the corner of the trace is clean also.
In pic one the trace around the spots and the corner and pretty much the whole trace under the cap is not clean anymore.
What did I win
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how about the 2 different 30 amp fuses right there at the torrids??? and I'm not for Randy or against Randy... cause as you can see I have less then 100 posts... but I'm going to be like Sweden here and stay NEUTRAL...
The trace damage in pic one is not there in pic two.
If you look in Pic two the gold trace around the two silver solder spots are clean and the corner of the trace is clean also.
In pic one the trace around the spots and the corner and pretty much the whole trace under the cap is not clean anymore.
What did I win
What trace damage?
In the post before I talk about a mark, did you find it? That is the prove that is the same board.. it's a mark inside the compound of the board.. no one can done it after.. maybe jesus, but I'm not jesus at all
You can not argue about the place where tech remove cap, there he has done him work, he couldn't leave the place exactly clean as before
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chevyx02 wrote:how about the 2 different 30 amp fuses right there at the torrids??? and I'm not for Randy or against Randy... cause as you can see I have less then 100 posts... but I'm going to be like Sweden here and stay NEUTRAL...
so if someone work on an amp he can't change a fuse??
if you change a fuse then also the amp change..
it last a month between the broken and the repaired photo, maybe the tech give away the original fuse to work with power supply direct on the board and then he add an equivalent fuse?
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ttocs wrote:also notice that the transistors below the caps have been replaced, I don't think he mentioned this at all.
Where ya at nico?
as I say up.. it take several hours of technician to found the problem because he don't have service manual (I ask also Randy to find one but you know he was jocking, he was only making sure passing 45 paypal days)
so tech probably test those transistor, you probably don't know that to test a trans you have to remove it..
If you repair an amp without a scheme in your hand you could probably have to test half the component in it! But the board is the same..
Have you read all the thread or only look at the two pictures???
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In the 1st pic gbody posted you can clearly see the c109 print on circuit board is missing the c yet in the 2nd pic he posted the c109 is all clearly visible. Plus there are lots of components that are different colors and lots that are clearly bent in different ways on the boards. Too many things different between the 2 pics for me to believe its a pic of 1 amp. Like the transistors under where the caps go in 1 pic they are standing up in the other pic they are laying down,tell me why a tech would re-arrange anything on an amp that he did not get paid to change?
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