zapco studio 500 0r zpa 0.5

[smgreen20]

Eric has commented to the golden one about this before in another thread, so by no means should you be scared to get a ZPA.


The golden one, Eric also stated in said thread that he has owned one and I will vouch for him that he currently has one, a 0.5 to be exact. It was my old one, he bought it off of me. I'm not here to knock you down but you've got to quit talking out your wazoo about things. Esp PG and the ZPA amps. That's how .people get misinformed.

[The Golden One]

Eric has commented to the golden one about this before in another thread, so by no means should you be scared to get a ZPA.


The golden one, Eric also stated in said thread that he has owned one and I will vouch for him that he currently has one, a 0.5 to be exact. It was my old one, he bought it off of me. I'm not here to knock you down but you've got to quit talking out your wazoo about things. Esp PG and the ZPA amps. That's how .people get misinformed.

actually most of my experiance with the zpa's are from the v.1's im not the only one that knows the differance in them from real world usage of these amps the v.1's can be unpredictable. infact i bought two v.1 0.3's from an installer that not only sold phoenix gold but used their amp's in his car, he told me he caught some mb quart music comps on fire with one of them. i my self had a 0.3 hooked up to the zeropoint speaker's the one's made for the 0.3 and i used to flame up the tweeter's then one day i thought it would be cool to hook a 0.5 v.1 to the zcs5's it did sound good for a little while until they went up in flames in a violent fury. i do have one v.2 0.3 that does not blow speakers in a milisecond but it does sound weak and watered down compared to the v.1's. most of the misinformation is from people that jumped on the pheonix gold bandwagon when it was good for them, infact ive had the zpa's before most of them jumped on the band wagon.

[Eric D]

Eric has commented to the golden one about this before in another thread, so by no means should you be scared to get a ZPA.


The golden one, Eric also stated in said thread that he has owned one and I will vouch for him that he currently has one, a 0.5 to be exact. It was my old one, he bought it off of me. I'm not here to knock you down but you've got to quit talking out your wazoo about things. Esp PG and the ZPA amps. That's how .people get misinformed.

actually most of my experiance with the zpa's are from the v.1's im not the only one that knows the differance in them from real world usage of these amps the v.1's can be unpredictable. infact i bought two v.1 0.3's from an installer that not only sold phoenix gold but used their amp's in his car, he told me he caught some mb quart music comps on fire with one of them. i my self had a 0.3 hooked up to the zeropoint speaker's the one's made for the 0.3 and i used to flame up the tweeter's then one day i thought it would be cool to hook a 0.5 v.1 to the zcs5's it did sound good for a little while until they went up in flames in a violent fury. i do have one v.2 0.3 that does not blow speakers in a milisecond but it does sound weak and watered down compared to the v.1's. most of the misinformation is from people that jumped on the pheonix gold bandwagon when it was good for them, infact ive had the zpa's before most of them jumped on the band wagon.

I have been in car audio for a very long time (not as long as some of our members), and not once have I blown a speaker unintentionally (while working for Rockford I took part in plenty of intentional speaker damage). Not with any amp or any combination of speakers. Even with my modified MS1000 which at 380W or so a channel is easily the most powerful PG amp from the time period. I ran my MS1000 to some components and never harmed them once.

Do you realize what blows speakers? Stupidity and total lack of knowledge blows speakers. If you have made speakers catch on fire and you think that is because the amp is so powerful, you are wrong. It is because you are a dumbass, plain and simple.

Do yourself and the rest of us here a HUGE favor and start reading the forum, but not posting on it. You are a beginner posing as an expert, and you are pissing off more people than just myself by leading others astray with your misguided misinformation.

To further establish how disconnected you are from the facts, I ran a ZPA0.3v2 on my home speakers last week after I finished repairing it. They are rated at 60W, and I never blew them. I also played the system about as loud as I could tolerate. Here is the fun part which will really confuse the hell out of you, I did it all with only a 15A fuse on the ZPA...

[The Golden One]

so you started with fostgate the most unimpressive ragged scap junk amp ive ever heard they dont even compare in sq to phoenix gold your the poser i had one of the installers of the fosgate van almost jump out of the seat of my mercedes with all phoenix gold gear in it. fosgate=fosjunk

[Eric D]

so you started with fostgate the most unimpressive ragged scap junk amp ive ever heard they dont even compare in sq to phoenix gold your the poser i had one of the installers of the fosgate van almost jump out of the seat of my mercedes with all phoenix gold gear in it. fosgate=fosjunk

And where did I say fosgate was better than PG?

[The Golden One]

so you started with fostgate the most unimpressive ragged scap junk amp ive ever heard they dont even compare in sq to phoenix gold your the poser i had one of the installers of the fosgate van almost jump out of the seat of my mercedes with all phoenix gold gear in it. fosgate=fosjunk

And where did I say fosgate was better than PG?

dude did you mix up a bad batch of brew or something man, your all on my case im brewing some homemade wine i hope it dosn't do the same to me chill.

[Eric D]

so you started with fostgate the most unimpressive ragged scap junk amp ive ever heard they dont even compare in sq to phoenix gold your the poser i had one of the installers of the fosgate van almost jump out of the seat of my mercedes with all phoenix gold gear in it. fosgate=fosjunk

And where did I say fosgate was better than PG?

dude did you mix up a bad batch of brew or something man, your all on my case im brewing some homemade wine i hope it dosn't do the same to me chill.

You are misleading people trying to learn something, and you can't even type a coherent sentence. I don't think I am the one with the problem...

[ttocs]

been installing for 15+ yrs. I have hooked big amps to small speakers, small amps to big speakers, but never seen any catch fire. Yes I did install these amps too as they were new on the market when I started so I have done more then a couple. If you and your friends are catching speakers on fire you are doing something very very wrong. I agree with eric that you are posting out your ass here and unfortunatly on the net it can be hard to figure out who knows what. Thankfully in this post it is not that hard because if you take advise from someone that is catching his speakers on fire then I hope you have a fire ext ready.

[The Golden One]

there where phoenix gold dealer's around my area that where blowing speakers with not only the zpa's but with the zx and xs as well i guess you all know more than the phoenix gold dealers want an award?

[ttocs]

I have seen jensens blow speakers, almost any amp can produce the clipped signal needed to get a speaker warm/hot.

I do not want an award nor does eric, but you sound like an overanxious 16 yr old and need to be corrected.

[smgreen20]

there where phoenix gold dealer's around my area that where blowing speakers with not only the zpa's but with the zx and xs as well i guess you all know more than the phoenix gold dealers want an award?

Eric and ttocs don't want one, but I'll take one, in the form of you not posting what you think you know. So, by you not commenting/posting anymore would be my reward. In the words of TLC, I aint to proud to beg. Give me my reward.

I was trying to be nice in my first post on this topic, but it's clear that YOU feel YOU know more then us, that's how you are acting about this. So who might you be to inform?????? Do YOU even know what you're talking about concerning these amps? NO, I didn't think so.

Eric hasn't jumped on any bandwagon as you might think. He has given unbiased reviews on PG's newest amps, and I've seen countless times where he's stated that another brand amp is better then one of the PG amps. So... while all of us here love PG, we're still open minded about other products, hell.... I even went from running a ZX450v2/ZPA0.5 to running an Audison amp, why??? Because I know that for my needs, wants that the Audison amp was the overall better choice. And now that I think about it, the ZPA0.3 I had was a v1 running a set of RSD6.5c comps for a while to a set of the PG Elite6 comps ~ 225 watts per side and guess what.... my speakers are just fine, BOTH SETS! Why? Because unlike you, I know how to set things up.













I can see this thread getting locked. Getting a bit hot in here. At least I think it should be locked for the simple reason that this is a thread of misinformation, not because of the heated debate.

[ttocs]

I can see this thread getting locked. Getting a bit hot in here. At least I think it should be locked for the simple reason that this is a thread of misinformation, not because of the heated debate.

agreed. Too much misinfo acting like a pro.

[The Golden One]

sound's like backwards minder brain washing to me topped off with an extra layer of bull shit.

[ttocs]

sound's like backwards minder brain washing to me topped off with an extra layer of bull shit.

Glad you finally see your comments the same way we do. The stuff you keep spouting just gets better and better.

[smgreen20]

sound's like backwards minder brain washing to me topped off with an extra layer of bull shit.

DUDE!

Why is it so fucking hard for you to admit that you might be wrong????? Admit it, learn from it and move on.

I hate using someone else as my as my defense, but come on. Eric has brought back amps from well below 6 feet under (documented proof), he has a full understanding of how amps work, could even build one himself from scratch. What I'm getting at is HE knows more then YOU on this subject, you will not convince anyone else wise. Our <<< which means more then one of us, have all used ZPA's (v1 or v2) w/o ANY issues. Not all installers know what they are doing or what they're talking about. Sadly for you, you know those installers and as a result, you are just as ignorant as them.

[Eric D]

Now that is the perfect word for all of this, "ignorant". "The Golden One" is about as ignorant as anyone can possibly be on this topic.

Blowing a speaker is something to be embarrassed by, not proud of. As previously stated, any amp can blow a speaker, this does not make ZPAs special. I installed an amp for a friend of mine a year ago. He blew his speaker. I asked him what happened and he said he turned the gain up because I did not have it high enough. I called him a dumbass as well. He got a new speaker, I set the gain correctly, and it is has not failed to this day.

Ignorance is bliss...

[The Golden One]

welcome to the internet where people can make off color comments based on limited social skill's and not have to face the person in real life. it is funny how someone with 10 years less experience with phoenix gold amp's can make off color statement's such as the one's that are being made. Eric D i have fixed a phoenix gold amp 8 years before you even owned one, sure you can fix amp's but so can i, infact there are still a few things that i know that you may not but that's what seperates me from the next guy.

[ttocs]

welcome to the internet where people can make off color comments based on limited social skill's and not have to face the person in real life. it is funny how someone with 10 years less experience with phoenix gold amp's can make off color statement's such as the one's that are being made. Eric D i have fixed a phoenix gold amp 8 years before you even owned one, sure you can fix amp's but so can i, infact there are still a few things that i know that you may not but that's what seperates me from the next guy.

so you are saying you have less then 10 yrs experience or eric does, I can't tell what you are saying? I would love to know what your experience is so far in car audio, can you tell us about yourself? Are you just one of the bay groupies that sticks around bothering the installer and collecting our scrap wire pieces or do you have some real experience other then installing all your friends systems? You sound like a million shade tree installers that I had come around my install bay telling me I should hire them as they know all this already but couldn't tell their own ass sounds from a good woofer. I agree with the comments above that you need to read alot more then you type, and do this for a while too. We all start from somewhere and when you get to know what is important in the industry it becomes really easy to spot the people that you seem to be, which is someone that would not be allowed to sweep the bay floors even if you did it for free. You are a liability to anyone that takes your advice and anyone that takes it runs the risk of setting a speaker on fire, just like you brag about doing....

[Eric D]

welcome to the internet where people can make off color comments based on limited social skill's and not have to face the person in real life. it is funny how someone with 10 years less experience with phoenix gold amp's can make off color statement's such as the one's that are being made. Eric D i have fixed a phoenix gold amp 8 years before you even owned one, sure you can fix amp's but so can i, infact there are still a few things that i know that you may not but that's what seperates me from the next guy.

You win, I will admit it. You do know a hell of a lot more than I do about how to blow up a woofer or an amplifier...

Do you have any FACTS at all to back up ANYTHING you claim in this post or any other? All you ever post are rambling opinions with cryptic explanations. Bold claims call for bold evidence and you fall way short in this area.

Plus, I don't really believe any of your experience related claims either. You can't even type a coherent sentence or paragraph, and your spelling is off, so clearly you don't even know how to use spell check. Sadly this is the best evidence you have provided anywhere on this forum, evidence you are either in high school or just recently graduated (or didn't graduate).

[kg1961]

all right guy lets get back to the zpa or zapco studio

[ttocs]

ah hell if we are going to start correcting spelling, I might have to bow out...

Do we have spellcheck here?

[smgreen20]

ttocs, if we do, I haven't found it. I use google for my spelling issues. If it shows up underlined in red, I go to the google bar and enter it.





I have this one last thing to say about The Golden One, (just because your username is the Golden one, doesn't mean you need to act like you are one), but anyway..... Eric has backed his work up and has done so for the last 7+ years since before this phorum. You have backed nothing up.

I looked at your profile yesterday to see how old you are, what you do, where you're geographically located, but found nothing. I did what little research I could do on you before I spoke/typed about you. So now IT IS up to you to prove yourself. You're the type of character we don't tolerate for very long around here. We try to be welcoming, but when ish like this happens, we don't stand for it.

Now, I'm done with this thread unless there's a personal attach on myself or others.

I bid you a good day sir.

[Eric D]

I use Firefox for web browsing and it checks my spelling for me. Back when I used IE I would write all my posts in MS Word first then paste them over. The last thing I want is someone confused because I did not spell something correctly. Considering I can't spell for crap, this is a needed item. Anyone who has ever chatted with me online knows how bad my spelling is.

The point here is not so much the spelling, but the evidence "The Golden One" does not even proof read what he posts. He would probably find his own spelling errors if he did. He is just another "keyboard commando" as someone else here put so well many years back, who is beating on the keyboard in a fit of rage with little to no thought as to what he is actually typing.

The Golden One is a noob, and I am tired of him injecting his lack of knowledge into many posts here, leading people astray who came for help.

[ttocs]

it is hard for others that are learning to decipher the real stuff from the crap. It is even harder for us to try and correct people when they do this as it just adds confusion. We are all wrong from time to time and if you are not learning something new everyday, you are dead. Now golden one you obviously have a passion for this hobby and this brand but do not let the enthusiasm and want to post to show what you know, over ride what you really know. There are alot of people on here that started off knowing half of what you know now but are now fairly educated consumers who can give advice when needed. The key it is to pick the posts that you do know and can help, and do as much as you can(no more), read and learn about the posts you are not educated about. Saying you set speakers on fire will never impress anyone of the power an amp has, as all it tell us is that it was not set up or driven correctly, if it happened at all.

I would still love for you to tell us about yourself, your experience and who you are.

[Eric D]

To bad we can't "vote people off the island" if you will. I probably would have been voted off long ago, but so be it. Democracy is probably better than anarchy, and anarchy is where we are heading as more and more new members overstep their knowledge.