Bank Of America-

[mhyde71]

Hello, Bank of America, can I help you?

Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.

The Bank: Why?

Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.

The Bank: Well, Mr. Smith, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account. What is your account number?

Customer: (gives account number)

The Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?

Customer: No?

The Bank: Mr. Smith, I need to verify your information in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are..

Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you?

The Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.

Customer: Why not?

The Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.

If this raises the hair on the back of your neck, then forward it to every human in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C. four times a week for a month.

[ttocs]

fuck BOA.... I had them for alot of years while I was in phoenix because it was the bank that intel used and they treated me pretty well because I worked there. After I lost the job due to my health I saw the other side of the biz and I am not suprised.

[stipud]

I love illegal immigrants. Nicest, most hard working people i've met.

[ttocs]

after being in az for 10 yrs I have seen both, but unfortunatly for every hard working, good natured one there were 2-3 around the corner that would roll you just to take your license. If we are picking sides here I am on Az side of shippin them back as quick as we can pick them up.

[stipud]

after being in az for 10 yrs I have seen both, but unfortunatly for every hard working, good natured one there were 2-3 around the corner that would roll you just to take your license. If we are picking sides here I am on Az side of shippin them back as quick as we can pick them up.

Why do poor people steal? Because they don't have money. Maybe if they were given access to credit and jobs they wouldn't need to steal.

[ttocs]

I think we give them enough at this point, too much infact...........

you guys up north are safe with your cold winters....

[todd217]

after being in az for 10 yrs I have seen both, but unfortunatly for every hard working, good natured one there were 2-3 around the corner that would roll you just to take your license. If we are picking sides here I am on Az side of shippin them back as quick as we can pick them up.

Why do poor people steal? Because they don't have money. Maybe if they were given access to credit and jobs they wouldn't need to steal.

maybe if they did not have children when they cant support themselves the would not need to steal either.

[ttocs]

please note he said childREN(PLURAL) as the only illegal I met with one child was a 15 yr old. The anchor baby thing needs to go............. If we give them a free childbirth procedure it should be concluded with a bus ticket, one-way. I am paying for my medical bills and out my ass why can't they.

[mhyde71]

nothing personal against illegal immigrants...yeah they're hard working, and all that... but i think it does do something to the economy- the fact that there are so many willing to work off books, and for next to nothing.... AND not having legit tax paying citizens working so they can/will pay into society... yes mexicans are very hard working (know a few around the area) - and they work work work...but the 4-5 i know around town... they are all off books with the local painting company and send money to their family in mexico... so here they are here working under table, and not even spending it here (aside from their necessities i.e. food, clothing, hygiene)...
BUT most money earned, as jose said to me a while back, goes to his wife and child back in mother land... SO perhaps theres something wrong with that... as there is alot of un-taxed/claimed money being sent out of country... as he cant be the only one

I am not an advocate or anything but i think the fact that there are a number of ppl/ Illegals (and legals) doing this- perhaps thousands, tens of thousands... overall could impact the health programs we offer here and i'm sure it affects the ecomony to some degree.... perhaps in a negative fashion... not sure if I have heard of any good that can come from it.

[stipud]

I think we give them enough at this point, too much infact...........

you guys up north are safe with your cold winters....

You can never give too much. I know you guys and I won't see eye to eye on this, but I believe every person in the world, regardless of race, social status or gender deserves an equal opportunity at life. Right now we are too used to being on the top of the food chain, and living an unsustainable life of excess on the backs of others. We feel it is our god given right to be born into our good jobs, while the rest of the world suffers.

We're not "safe" from illegal immigrants here... there are tons of them. The difference is, way less of them have the NEED to steal or commit crimes, because of raw poverty, because Canada has far better social welfare. These people are working themselves up from less than nothing. People aren't inherently bad or good, but poverty can drive good people to do bad things, if it means putting food on the table. Why would you want to make it even harder for these people to succeed is beyond me... that only encourages more crime and disparity, and further marginalizes them as a society.

[stipud]

Why do poor people steal? Because they don't have money. Maybe if they were given access to credit and jobs they wouldn't need to steal.

maybe if they did not have children when they cant support themselves the would not need to steal either.

Don't you think poor people have the right to procreate? The right to a family? To your own children?

Again if these families weren't marginalized, don't you think they'd rather have a good job rather than robbing people for a living? Why do we support marginalization and a prison system, that only compounds the issue and bleeds money out of our society?

[stipud]

nothing personal against illegal immigrants...yeah they're hard working, and all that... but i think it does do something to the economy- the fact that there are so many willing to work off books, and for next to nothing.... AND not having legit tax paying citizens working so they can/will pay into society... yes mexicans are very hard working (know a few around the area) - and they work work work...but the 4-5 i know around town... they are all off books with the local painting company and send money to their family in mexico... so here they are here working under table, and not even spending it here (aside from their necessities i.e. food, clothing, hygiene)...
BUT most money earned, as jose said to me a while back, goes to his wife and child back in mother land... SO perhaps theres something wrong with that... as there is alot of un-taxed/claimed money being sent out of country... as he cant be the only one

I am not an advocate or anything but i think the fact that there are a number of ppl/ Illegals (and legals) doing this- perhaps thousands, tens of thousands... overall could impact the health programs we offer here and i'm sure it affects the ecomony to some degree.... perhaps in a negative fashion... not sure if I have heard of any good that can come from it.

Really? You blame the status of the economy on marginalized immigrants, who are looking for a better life, rather than on the very banks that corrupted the economy through deregulation and greed? Immigrants didn't fuck up your economy, the BANKS did. The wealthiest people are sucking your country dry for profit. Through the media, which they own and control, they are distracting you by telling you the immigrants are doing it so that you don't notice their fat hands reaching into your pockets!

When I saw this thread regarding "Bank of America", I thought it would be about how they pillaged billions out of your economy, and plunged most of the western world into debt, so that the upper 1% (who control everything in the fucking world right now) could increase their wealth to even more ludicrous levels? But instead you are enraged at the fact that they offer credit to illegal immigrants?

The wealthiest 5% of Americans control 72% of America’s financial wealth. The bottom 80% control only 7% of the nation’s financial wealth. The richest 400 Americans have more combined wealth than the poorer HALF of all Americans. That means 400 people have more wealth than 150,000,000 people combined. American corporations saw record profits in 2010. Nearly 80% of all economic gains made in the past thirty years have gone to the richest 1%. In the 1970s, the average CEO made 30 times what an hourly worker made. Today, a CEO makes 300 times what an hourly worker makes.

Isn't that a lot more shocking? You think Mexicans are taking all the money? I know a marginalized minority is an easy target but use your brains and try to figure out who the real criminals are here.

[stipud]

Basically, to sum up my point...

“You know all that money we spend on the military ever year -- trillions of dollars? Instead, if we use this money to feed and clothe the poor of this world, which it would do many times over, then we can explore space, inner and outer, together, as one race.”
- Bill Hicks

[ttocs]

I think everyone has the right to have a couple kids but I really do not think you understand the situation as if they stopped at a couple it would not be so bad. Their goal is to get knocked up in the us so that then their baby can stay so that they they should have too. I moved from the midwest with a couple of other guys that ended up knocking up and legalizing some chick that made it blatently clear 2-3 yrs later after they had bled them that they never had any intention of staying with them, they were just he key to gain access to the US.

The legal mexicans that I knew in az were just as aginst the leaches that do not want to contribute to our societe but expect us to pay for "their american dream". My dad immigrated here when he was 17, he had to go down every year and fill out papers and keep his green card on him until he ended up swearing in as us citizen. They didn't come over expecting hand outs but to make their own way and if that is what that person wants then great but from what I have experienced it is not normally like that.... They do not want to carry ID, even though the rest of us do, do not want to fill out paperwork, even though the rest of us do and want 2x as much as the rest of us do...........

[mhyde71]

no... guess my thoughts aren't that it is exclusively the Mexicans (or any illegal immigrant) coming into the states illegally that is messing the economy... AND only that.... just a contributing factor... and think it just has to be... I dont see how it can not be a factor...

BUT for a (from a personal) stand point... guess the point, or stand, i have is that I spent THOUSANDS of dollars to have and be sponsor for my chinese wife to be here legally... and it took years of filling out this, that, and sending in hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars per application... doing tests, spending days to travel to various Homeland security centers for testing, blood work, finger prints... waiting, and filing, and doign this that and all kinds of hurdles- just to see that someone else can do it - for or at the cost of sneaking in the states.... which is Illegal...
Regardless of their "honor-ability", or how hard of a worker they are... it is illegal-
While some laws i dont agree to... i still have to abide by them... yes our immigration policy needs to be address/fixed.... But for me to have to pay and do it the right [legal] way- and to see others not having to it... becomes a little unfair....but hey life's not fair i guess.

ARE there other contributing factors...absolutely...
but guess i am just not convinced that the "illegal immigration running rampant issues" is actually of any help or benefit to us (canada/states) as a whole... not sure how it can be if it is all being done illegally.... and then we need to house these illegals while they serve their time.

Do i understand the fact that they want to get out of mexico and live a productive life in the states???...ABSOLUTELY no problem (and when i watch boarder control programs...I feel for them) and if done legally i encourage it... SO/BUT can these people do it legally - like i/we had to???

[stipud]

I think everyone has the right to have a couple kids but I really do not think you understand the situation as if they stopped at a couple it would not be so bad. Their goal is to get knocked up in the us so that then their baby can stay so that they they should have too. I moved from the midwest with a couple of other guys that ended up knocking up and legalizing some chick that made it blatently clear 2-3 yrs later after they had bled them that they never had any intention of staying with them, they were just he key to gain access to the US.

If people feel the need to have babies in order to be able to get into a country then that is a sign of a restrictive immigration system that isn't working. The system is creating babies through its policy. It's just a matter of perspective... do you blame the individuals and continue to marginalize them into performing ridiculous acts, or do you look at how society can be restructured in order to offer them rights, so they can act like rational human beings?

The legal mexicans that I knew in az were just as aginst the leaches that do not want to contribute to our societe but expect us to pay for "their american dream". My dad immigrated here when he was 17, he had to go down every year and fill out papers and keep his green card on him until he ended up swearing in as us citizen. They didn't come over expecting hand outs but to make their own way and if that is what that person wants then great but from what I have experienced it is not normally like that.... They do not want to carry ID, even though the rest of us do, do not want to fill out paperwork, even though the rest of us do and want 2x as much as the rest of us do...........

The concept of the leech is put forward a lot by the media to scare you, but I am pretty sure they are a minority. But again, can we not address leeches through policy change? You know second hand how difficult the immigration system can be, and that's for people who can afford it, or have sponsors, etc. Think about the REAL poor and unprivileged of the world. The laborers in the sweatshops, etc. Is it so unjust to offer these people a dignified way out as well?

[stipud]

no... guess my thoughts aren't that it is exclusively the Mexicans (or any illegal immigrant) coming into the states illegally that is messing the economy... AND only that.... just a contributing factor... and think it just has to be... I dont see how it can not be a factor...

Everything is a factor in the economy. Every member of society has the capability to be both a negative or a positive asset. My point is that you need to look at the data without any media or social bias and try to find the real culprits who do the vast majority of the damage to the system, and be mad at them instead. Immigrants and the poor are an easy target. Corporations are not... yet they are the ones that are not morally responsible for any harm that they do, and function on a pure profit motive! They are given carte blanche to ruin any economy or society they want, as long as their shareholders are happy!

BUT for a (from a personal) stand point... guess the point, or stand, i have is that I spent THOUSANDS of dollars to have and be sponsor for my chinese wife to be here legally... and it took years of filling out this, that, and sending in hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars per application... doing tests, spending days to travel to various Homeland security centers for testing, blood work, finger prints... waiting, and filing, and doign this that and all kinds of hurdles- just to see that someone else can do it - for or at the cost of sneaking in the states.... which is Illegal...
Regardless of their "honor-ability", or how hard of a worker they are... it is illegal-
While some laws i dont agree to... i still have to abide by them... yes our immigration policy needs to be address/fixed.... But for me to have to pay and do it the right [legal] way- and to see others not having to it... becomes a little unfair....but hey life's not fair i guess.

I don't think what you and your wife had to go through to live a happy life together was fair. But think about the people who couldn't afford the thousands of dollars. People without money or sponsors, working a harder job than we have that pays 1/100th of what we earn, because our corporations are down there keeping them poor and marginalized. Should they not be offered the olive branch as well? We need to find a way to include these people in society in legal and humane ways. Similarly, you and your wife should not have gone through such hardship to simply live and love and have a family together. The two ideas do not have to be mutually exclusive. Treat people like humans and they will flourish.

ARE there other contributing factors...absolutely...
but guess i am just not convinced that the "illegal immigration running rampant issues" is actually of any help or benefit to us (canada/states) as a whole... not sure how it can be if it is all being done illegally.... and then we need to house these illegals while they serve their time.

Do i understand the fact that they want to get out of mexico and live a productive life in the states???...ABSOLUTELY no problem (and when i watch boarder control programs...I feel for them) and if done legally i encourage it... SO/BUT can these people do it legally - like i/we had to???

Since the advent of the internet, our world has gotten a lot less smaller. People who live in caves are now being educated. They are beginning to understand their place in society, and realize it is not fair that they are at the bottom of the food chain, when things like food, water, shelter, love and family should be fundamental rights. Have we not evolved as humans? Can we continue to turn our backs on people from a different country, when our upper 1% continue to get rich at their expense? It's not even like WE get to see that money that we're draining out of other countries! That's the sick thing!

Illegal immigration is not going to go away. You can't stop them, you can't jail them. All that results in is debt. Why don't we look at our failed policies and rethink them in such a way that these people can contribute to society just as well as we can?

[stipud]

Also I will state for the record that half of the illegal immigrants I have met here in Canada are Americans. And yes we even treat them with a shred of humanity

[ttocs]

how can you expect people that do not follow the rules to get in legally to be able to contribute to the society productivly after they are let in? As hyde said it is not impossible to get in and most of them end up paying coyotes thousands to smuggle them in so WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THEY DO IT THE RIGHT WAY like my dad did, hydes wife, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE SOCIETY? If they want to cheat to get in that just tells me that they will continue to skirt the system.

Like I said I think that they are given too much already from free health care(which is killing me), to scholarships to welfare and food coupons just for walking in and saying here I am, I swear I am good... I think that everybody needs to pass the legal checks that are in place to ensure that we are getting the type of people that we think will contribute to society. Two years ago we had a cop in phoenix shot by an illegal that he was attempting to question for jaywalking and was killed, want to discuss that? I support sheriff joe and his round ups where he and his deputies(which are a large percentage hispanic) do nothing more then ask people for their identification. You are on the side that calls that racist right?

the immigrants that I have met that took the steps to do it correctly probably get more respect from me then someone like myself that was born into it. I got to meet alot of them while working out there and they were the kind of people you tried to keep up with. The leaching immigrants that sneak over and cheat the system with a loop hole get no respect from me and no hand outs. If canada wants to open the boarder up to allow the flood in I would be happy to set up a delivery service of some way to watch you guys deal with it. I think it sounds easy when your illegals are a couple of americans that are hiding for some reason or another rather then an entire country waiting at the boarder to come charging across and invade and believe me that is what it would be.........

[stipud]

how can you expect people that do not follow the rules to get in legally to be able to contribute to the society productivly after they are let in? As hyde said it is not impossible to get in and most of them end up paying coyotes thousands to smuggle them in so WHY THE FUCK CAN'T THEY DO IT THE RIGHT WAY like my dad did, hydes wife, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE SOCIETY? If they want to cheat to get in that just tells me that they will continue to skirt the system.

Because, by your own admission, there are the "good ones" who contribute to society. Because of them, I can expect that people would follow the rules (as long as the rules were something that they would be capable of abiding with in the first place). If the rules block them out of the system by being too poor, those rules are not fair, and cause subversive acts like you mention. These people deserve better, they know they deserve better, yet they CAN'T get better without being forced to do wrong things by outdated xenophobic policies that do not work, have never worked, and only compound the issue.

Like I said I think that they are given too much already from free health care(which is killing me), to scholarships to welfare and food coupons just for walking in and saying here I am, I swear I am good... I think that everybody needs to pass the legal checks that are in place to ensure that we are getting the type of people that we think will contribute to society. Two years ago we had a cop in phoenix shot by an illegal that he was attempting to question for jaywalking and was killed, want to discuss that? I support sheriff joe and his round ups where he and his deputies(which are a large percentage hispanic) do nothing more then ask people for their identification. You are on the side that calls that racist right?

When a policy forces people to break the law to escape from an impoverished society, odds are the people who would be most willing to break the rules are the criminals of the repressed society, not the best and brightest individuals. The policy is breeding the criminal behavior, and blocking the most moral people. People should have to pass "legal checks" like you suggest, but the fact of the matter is our immigration policy is not just keeping criminals out; it's poor people in general. If the policy is changed to invite the most moral people over, regardless of wealth, gender, social status, etc, with the promise of achieving something more through fully legal means, you will find, when given the choice, people will choose the moral option. That WAS the American Dream. Unfortunately now supply and demand do not match, so we've had to add policy to block poor people. However, that policy is bankrupting us morally and financially. Should we not consider finding a way to legally incorporate these people? People are a natural resource... they are very valuable. Imagine if you had a government funded work-to-citizenship motive? People who wanted in but didn't have the means to buy their way in could work their way up legally and help build the economy.

As an added benefit, the real douchebag coyotes, drug lords and mobsters will lose their power because they won't be needed anymore. But right now we are playing right into the hands of the black market by banning something like natural human rights. Very similar to the failed drug war if you think about it. The very existence of the "drug war" is what empowers the criminals, the military industrial complex, and further marginalizes the poorest people in the world.

the immigrants that I have met that took the steps to do it correctly probably get more respect from me then someone like myself that was born into it. I got to meet alot of them while working out there and they were the kind of people you tried to keep up with. The leaching immigrants that sneak over and cheat the system with a loop hole get no respect from me and no hand outs. If canada wants to open the boarder up to allow the flood in I would be happy to set up a delivery service of some way to watch you guys deal with it. I think it sounds easy when your illegals are a couple of americans that are hiding for some reason or another rather then an entire country waiting at the boarder to come charging across and invade and believe me that is what it would be.........

People who took the steps to do things correctly were likely just born one peg higher on the social pole than the person who was forced to come in illegally. You are giving people respect based on their birthright social status rather than believing it is an innate human right. There is only one moral choice. Our businesses are down in Mexico, taking advantage of their poor, yet we are not giving their poor a right to a life with us. Corporations are not held morally responsible by our society.

I am not saying Canada is perfect by any means. It is a bit better, because we do formally recognize more natural human rights, but there is a long way to go for everyone, everywhere.

[ttocs]

we have too many problems trying to take care of our own people.....................................

if you had mexico on your boarder, you would think differently.

[stipud]

we have too many problems trying to take care of our own people.....................................

if you had mexico on your boarder, you would think differently.

I'm not disagreeing with that. All I'm saying is that it's misguided to blame Mexicans for the "problems trying to take care of our own people", when the upper echelons of society are fucking you, me AND them over many times worse. I am stating the irony behind the initial post against Bank of America... not for condemning several generations worth of the global economy to debt, in order to pad the (already pointlessly inflated) wallets of CEOs... but for supporting a struggling ethnic minority. If that wealth wasn't in the hands of those individuals, and was in the hands of the people (where it came from), we could do a lot more for our society AND theirs.

[Francious70]

Just my 2 cents.

Illegal immigration isn't the problem, it's people working off the books not paying into the tax system that's the problem. I would take as many as wanted to come if they paid their taxes the same as everyone else. Many illegals I've known DO pay taxes though because they get a paycheck with FICA and SSI deducted the same as mine.

But until humanity faces a common threat, alien invasion for example, we will continue fighting each other. Humans are just like any other animal in that regard, we will fight amongst ourselves for supremacy until we have to band together to stop a common threat.

Society is a pyramid, to be on top there has to be 5 people below you to support you. Unfortunately we cannot ever be equal and have a high quality of life. If we were equals we would pay out the ass for the things we get from China that are worth dirt now, but the Chinese wouldn't be as impoverished as they are now. We wouldn't be able to afford to buy what they are selling so we wouldn't buy it, and then the whole system would collapse. The Chinese would be poor as dirt because we arn't buying, and we would be poor as dirt because we wouldn't have the products we need to uplift our society.

It's a viscous cycle, someone HAS to be on bottom.

[smgreen20]

Let's look at this from a different point of view..... Our Gov't. I have a friend, good friend actually- it's his S10 I just did the install in, but his wife is from Bulgaria and she gets everything handed to her by our Gov't because she's not from here, but is now legal due to marriage. She's a great person and so is he, but when I get fired and have to SHOW every fucking thing I can to prove that I'm in school and using the $$ they gave me for it and she shows 0, nada, zip, zilch.... It pisses me off. It's not here fault, mine or the other friend of ours that can't qualify for anything for school and she's worse off then the Bulgarian friend.

The illegal alien thing has gotten a bad twist put on it, and it's because our Gov't allows it. Think about it, wouldn't you move to better your life and your families if you could? They are, but that doesn't make them the bad person. The negative terms just stuck when, as I have said, it's out Gov'ts fault.

Even our own kind are just as bad as some of these lazy ones. Abusing the system and making it harder for the rest of us and those that truly need it. But do we call them out the same as we do the immigrants????