PHOENIX GOLD TI-2500.1 MONOBLOCK AMP

[stipud]

I wouldn't be so black and white Eric

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Certainly there are a great deal of people here who look up to your experience and talent (myself included). Saying you know nothing is like saying we know nothing times ten! Don't sell yourself so short. You don't have to win all of your arguments to be relevant.

[Eric D]

I wouldn't be so black and white Eric

We all have different experiences and backgrounds. Certainly there are a great deal of people here who look up to your experience and talent (myself included). Saying you know nothing is like saying we know nothing times ten! Don't sell yourself so short. You don't have to win all of your arguments to be relevant.

You need to be more realistic Tom. The search button in the top right hand corner of the screen knows a hell of a lot more than I do, or ever will.

I don't really have a whole lot of experience or talent, I just pretended too. If I did have anything, I would be able to prove it, and I cannot.

[shawn k]

You have one hell of a background there. I can't disagree with that. And I owe you a lot more respect.

However, I wish you could understand that even with all that experience, it does not automatically mean what you post is fact. I make mistakes, and I know you do as well. You don't need to walk on eggshells, but pushing your knowledge without any evidence is just downright irritating.

I agree, but again I believe I always do try to provide "evidence" in my posts. Well, I think "explaination" is a better word. If you want me to quote the Loudspeaker Design Cookbook, or set up some funky testing and analysis station to "prove" my explainations then please don't hold your breathe because it's just not going to happen. My free time is limited and I don't really have the time, nor the desire to do so.

I used to be really bad at this, but I have made a very conscious effort to improve my attitude. I do all I can to remind myself to use lines such as "I believe so", or "the last I knew" or anything else to be a little less absolute. There are plenty of people out there who think just because they are older they automatically know more. We all know what I am talking about. Well, sure some guy 75 years old might happen to know more about finances than I do, but I doubt he knows more about computers. We all have strong points and weak points. You know a ton about car audio, but you don't know everything. You claim you admit when you are wrong, but I have yet to see that ever happen

I use to be really bad at this as well. When I was younger, I thought I new it all. I wasn't going around showboating, but really didn't know nearly as much as I thought I did I DEFINITELY, especially now, don't think I know everything about car audio. Actually, the more I learn, the more I realize how much I still don't know ( like the real physics of acoustics and electronics) . But I can honestly say that I try to learn more everyday (like the physics of acoustics and electronics )

Oh, and here's a thread where I was wrong and didn't shy away from it : http://phoenixphorum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13829

Also, I think you fail to realize there is a such thing as being in something for too long. I know installers who were installing since the 80's. Many of them know less than I do. They just ended up repeating the same thing over and over (deck and four, deck and four) on and on. It does not matter how long you do something, if you don't do anything new, you stop learning.

Well I disagree with you here, at least if you were referring to me. I strive to do more and learn more in this field virtually everyday. For instance, I too am an amateur amp repair tech. This is something I decided to pick up a couple of years ago again just to keep learning. I definitely dont' consider myself a full fledged tech by any means. Hell, for every amp I fix it seems like there's two or three that still have issues with. But I'm learning this completely on my own and it's a very long process. This is just one example of how I strive to do more.

Anyway, I admit I am wrong. I had no idea the Ti2500.1 did less than rated until reading this thread, but did not want to admit I am detached from the industry (as accurately pointed out by another poster), so I kept arguing.

I never heard of all the brands mentioned in this thread other than Sundown Audio until now, so I kept arguing.

A friend told me about Sundown Audio well over a year ago, but I am to brand centric and close minded to even consider their products an option.

I have not installed a piece of car audio equipment in over six years now, and to say I am "rusty" is the world's greatest understatement.

I might as well just go all the way here...

I am a hack. I have been for quite some time.

In the back of my mind I thought I knew something, but the reality is I just keep rehashing the same answers to the same questions as they perpetually show up on this forum. I have no new knowledge to add to this forum, nor do I have any new experience either!

I have a minimal at best knowledge of electronics, enough to dabble at fixing things, but no where near enough to actually get a useful job in the electronics industry, or fix any challenging failure on an amplifier.

I have amassed a huge car audio collection for reasons I honestly don't know why. It has become an excessive addiction, and is really gaining me no satisfaction, or even entertainment.

Well I commend you for admitting to all of this, but don't beat yourself up man! Damn!

[Stryker]

wow this has become an epic thread......
I dropped out after page 2
I just feel that the "new" PG is not the same thing as before and the market is totally different now
then it was when i grabbed my first Ti400 back in 98. I have to shake my head and wonder why PG released the
"One" and a Ti2500.1 when that is not their ballgame as there is other companys that easily out do those amps for the same price or less, while still providing a good reliable product. The inner guts of the amps from some companys below are very impressive to say the least.

Yes the "One" is limited which makes it unique and so on, but it is very pricey, really the new PG is not an SPL type company in my mind, why come out with these type of amps then? The same thing that happened to Kicker's Warhorse amp will undoubtedly happen to the "One" it'll sell for far less than MSRP. I also think the Ti amps will come down in price after a while too, then I might give one a shot, I like good watt for dollar deals.
The guys who run mega watt systems for daily drivers are not gonna leave the Digital Designs, Sundowns, DC Audio's and the like of the world
for special amps like those. So who gonna buy them at MSRP?? I might add that DD is not just an SPL company, they make fine comps and some very badass amplifers. If any company reminds me of the old PG it's easily Digital Designs.
Just my .02

[kg1961]

I just read the whole post man all over a over priced, new amp that doesn't do the same rms as the model number???? I'm lost for words