Electric Supercharger, round three...

Post by **stipud** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:48 am

Yeah, a drill press will certainly keep it good and balanced.

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:03 pm

stipud wrote: Pandy did you read that article you posted above? The guy who made that turbocharger already tried your exact method in many different ways and it was never really successful. It's not until he switched to an Eaton supercharger that it began to work.

Yeah I read the article. And I just went to TK's website and found this -

My my, looks like what I have planned...

It works too, so maybe I should call this what it is, a Turbo and not a Supercharger

As for the drill press? depends on the setup. This one is laser guided and owned by a company that makes water pumps for large companies (Disney, dorney park) infact the whole place looks like it's filled with ginormous superchargers, the pumps are pretty much centrifugal.

They have a mill that would machine the spline, but my pal doesnt know how to use it and doesnt want to ask.. I nearly got him fired for painting the car there without them knowing..

Just have some faith. I havent yet said I was going to do something and failed, and if I do I will be the first to admit it and you will be the first to know.

HoseHead · Post by **HoseHead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:12 pm

Pandy - make your pictures smaller.

It really, really, really fucking sucks when you have to scroll all over hell's half acre to read the text. I got a headache now.

I run supercharged cars all the time. It's the biggest bang for the buck, but uses scads of power to create scads of power. Not an efficient technology in itself.

If you invent a perpetual motion machine, I call dibs on Canadian distribution.

HH

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:14 pm

Sorry about the pics, I have a 1600x1200 desktop so didnt realise

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:19 pm

And if youre still doubtful..

What I have planned here is absolutely no different to the only working proven ESC. That one does 6psi and I would bet it runs from a heater blower motor being given 36v

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:28 pm

ydnap wrote:That one does 6psi and I would bet it runs from a heater blower motor being given 36v

Quoting myself here because I just read over the instructions.. And guess what I found in there?

"YOU CAN TEST IT ON THE BENCH AT 12V, AS THAT WILL NOT OVERSPEED IT. 24 OR 36 VOLTS WILL SPIN IT TOO FAST. YOU MUST HOLD IT IN A VICE OR IT MUST BE BOLTED DOWN."

Yup. Id lay money that's a heater blower motor. They can be given up to 48v

Post by **VW337** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:31 pm

How is lexan stronger that a steel chain?

I have used lexan many times, it is very flexible and in no way will it ever hold up to the RPM range you need.

dgoodhue · Post by **dgoodhue** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:12 am

ydnap wrote:
ydnap wrote:That one does 6psi and I would bet it runs from a heater blower motor being given 36v
Quoting myself here because I just read over the instructions.. And guess what I found in there?

"YOU CAN TEST IT ON THE BENCH AT 12V, AS THAT WILL NOT OVERSPEED IT. 24 OR 36 VOLTS WILL SPIN IT TOO FAST. YOU MUST HOLD IT IN A VICE OR IT MUST BE BOLTED DOWN."

Yup. Id lay money that's a heater blower motor. They can be given up to 48v

Unless they are ripping people off, I am guessing the are using different electric motor than a heater motor or modified leaf blower.

If I had to guess, I don't think you will reach 2 psi with your setup. Boost is a measure air being backup so it will have to over come the engine vacuum (sucking of air) and back up air through you intake track. I think eventuallty you will burnout your electric motor. Maybe you could use a leaf blower to cool down your angle grinder

I also thought about another set up, you could rig up a chain to drive your turbo impellor, I don't know if it would work but it might be cool to hear your engine sound like its cutting wood at WOT. It could be jack the ripper Hyundia.

Mastiff · Post by **Mastiff** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:28 am

what does $150.00 get you ?

pandy would you like me to find you one for your car?

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:23 am

pandy, did you also think about what this will do with your fuel mixture?

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:40 pm

Bfowler wrote:pandy, did you also think about what this will do with your fuel mixture?

I did indeed. And, I have a set of v6 mustang injectors ready on standby should the need arise, and a larger fuel pump

Thanksfully the Tiburon takes very well to being supercharged. The ECU is resettable and then you program it's curve by driving it with a new setup.

After adding my CAI plugs and wires I thought I had blown it up. black smoke was pissing out, it wouldnt idle and i fogged out the whole parking lot.. In the end I reset the ECU and thrashed all shit out of it for a couple of days. The CEL went out and it was purring like a kitten

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:42 pm

VW337 wrote:How is lexan stronger that a steel chain?

I have used lexan many times, it is very flexible and in no way will it ever hold up to the RPM range you need.

The lexan isnt going to take hardly any strain. All its doing is holding the motor to the turbo..

If it doesnt work then Ill do the same thing with steel or alu

dgoodhue · Post by **dgoodhue** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:19 pm

ydnap wrote:
Bfowler wrote:pandy, did you also think about what this will do with your fuel mixture?
I did indeed. And, I have a set of v6 mustang injectors ready on standby should the need arise, and a larger fuel pump

Thanksfully the Tiburon takes very well to being supercharged. The ECU is resettable and then you program it's curve by driving it with a new setup.

After adding my CAI plugs and wires I thought I had blown it up. black smoke was pissing out, it wouldnt idle and i fogged out the whole parking lot.. In the end I reset the ECU and thrashed all shit out of it for a couple of days. The CEL went out and it was purring like a kitten

Its not going to compensate by resetting the ECM if you only running it at WOT. The ECM compensate for changes in closed loop operation from the O2 sesnor. At WOT its running open loop, you would need a WB and obviously an ECm that programmed for Closed Loop WOT. I don't not know of an factory ECM that is closed loop at WOT.

What type air metering does it use, it is a MAP sensor or Air flow meter? The fact you were blowing black smoke because of the Cold Air Kit makes me think its a MAP sensor based system (MAP sensor are less flexible to changes)

The reality is that it probably won't make much of fueling difference at 1-2 psi. I tuned my own ECM's and I don't really start adding fueling until 3 psi, and even at that its only 1%. The only additional fueling I am getting that you won't is because I have a rising rate FP regulator. (my static FP is set around 50psi, so at 1 psi I am 50+1 or 51psi, you will be stuck at 50psi.) Each psi is about 2% increase in fuel and most factory tune are a good 5-10% rich anyways.

ydnap · Post by **ydnap** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:09 pm

It's a MAF sensor IIRC... Hyundais run extremely rich, hence the shitty gas milage (less than 20 on a 4 banger) so I dont think fuel getting to the sparkplugs would be a problem. This is another reason why you should reset the ECU and drive it hard once every 6 months or so..

Heres a pic of the engine bay a long while ago, sensor is in the black unit above the CAI.

Ahsmo · Post by **Ahsmo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:11 pm

the motherfuckers at the oil change place ran my car into the pit, I just had a root cannal, someone ran into my car while I was at sea, my brother is in iraq

and I just had to read this thread. Wrong wrong on so many levels.

Post by **stipud** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:20 pm

Ahsmo wrote:the motherfuckers at the oil change place ran my car into the pit, I just had a root cannal, someone ran into my car while I was at sea, my brother is in iraq

and I just had to read this thread. Wrong wrong on so many levels.

Ahhh we missed you buddy.

Shitty news man... (about you reading the thread

)

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:40 am

you take your car to an oil change place!!!!!!!! that was god telling you to knock that shit off.

good to hear from you. just how fucked is your car? totaled or repairable damage?

Ahsmo · Post by **Ahsmo** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:41 am

Bfowler wrote:you take your car to an oil change place!!!!!!!! that was god telling you to knock that shit off.

good to hear from you. just how fucked is your car? totaled or repairable damage?

The car is okay. a large scratch or two here and there, nothing a paint job can't fix. Thanks for asking

I thought he was done after I cut the tip of my thumb off at sea... guess not.

Pandy. My input(I was on codine last night). Your idea is still wrong.

As someone already stated, a loaded alternator is going to put more load on the engine. Changing mechanical engery(spinning crank shaft) to electrical energy is ineffiecient.

A 10 amp 2500watt inverter sounds pretty far fetched.

Have you thought of a rear mounted turbo? If you know someone who can weld...even just alittle bit. It could be done for much less than this electric contraption.

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:06 am

^to put it another way.

you can't fight the laws of thermodynamics.