Elite Sneak Peek

[stipud]

Elite.4 Gut Shot...

Them some nice parts right there!

Looks like a natural progression of the clean Ti design. Nice work

[audiogood]

Tvrift the three blue led,s aer an symbol of ti amps and subs ... They have always Ben there. Dude get over it. Just so u know audiobahn has never put les in any of there subwoofers . You would know this if you stop haten on them they are known for crome and blue flames .. and if you knew anything about audiobahn you would also know they have 700+ wins in comps ..

[tvrift]

Tvrift the three blue led,s aer an symbol of ti amps and subs ... They have always Ben there. Dude get over it. Just so u know audiobahn has never put les in any of there subwoofers . You would know this if you stop haten on them they are known for crome and blue flames .. and if you knew anything about audiobahn you would also know they have 700+ wins in comps ..

I dont give a crap about audiobahn and apparently, the point I was trying to make went way over your head...but let me clarify.....

IMO:

Flashy gimmicky looks will turn off serious audiophiles or enthusiasts and the high-end price tag will turn off those that normally buy into the flashy gimmicky looks.

Either make a true high-end piece of gear with high-end yet clean looks, or make a flashy high volume unit priced accordingly. Trying to do both is just a bad idea for the reasons I said above...again IMO.

[MW3]

Sorry for reflection on the plexi its hard to get the right angle when snapping a pic.

The internals are visible through the plexi but its smoked a bit darker than ZPA.

LEDs reside under the plexi, you don't know they are there until you turn on the amp.

[dvnt88]

Sorry for reflection on the plexi its hard to get the right angle when snapping a pic.

The internals are visible through the plexi but its smoked a bit darker than ZPA.

LEDs reside under the plexi, you don't know they are there until you turn on the amp.

WOW ...That's 1 sexxy beast.

[kg1961]

will there be any info silk screening to say pg Elite or anything on it? i can see something on the left bottom side but can't read it

[Lux]

I agree with dvnt88. One Bad Amp!

[audiogood]

Very sexy.... I like . I will take one

[tvrift]

Wow, that amp looks nice!

[Eric D]

WOW, WOW, WOW!!!

Somebody at PG finally heard my prayers!

I have been bugging employees at PG about using Sanken MT-200 output devices for around 5 years now. This is groundbreaking stuff for PG.

This feature alone elevates these amps above any previous produced PG products.

Now, if I am looking at this correctly, that quantity of parts puts this amp way beyond the standard MS2125 sized amp of old. This is a lot like a MS1000 with only one board, as far as components are concerned.

I am VERY impressed!

[Eric D]

Here are some numbers for anyone who might not know what I am talking about.

The original MS2250 is known to be one of the most powerful PG amps of all. It uses 6 TO-247L sized output transistors per channel. These are rated for 150W of thermal capacity. So, as far as output thermal capacity is concerned, 12 of these makes for 1800W on the original MS2250. Now, this is not power output rating, this is the thermal capacity of the devices themselves. They can take bursts of more, and averages of less.

Now, this new PG amp uses 4 MT-200 packaged devices per channel (by the looks of it). These are rated at 200W of thermal capacity. With 16 of these, we are looking at 3200W of thermal capacity. Half of that (2-channels) is down to 1600W. Add in the fact this amp has a fan to keep it cool, and you can get a bit more.

So, based on just the thermal capacity, this amp is similar to a pair of MS2250s in one chassis with one board.

Next, is the power supply section. It is hard to tell, but it looks to be dual power supplies, with 16 MOSFETs in all. This is just a guess. This is the same component count as the ZPA0.5.

Back to output section, the ZPA0.5 uses 24 output devices, all TO-247L sized. However, it runs all of these well under their limits. The ZPA0.5 also does not have the heatsink capacity to get rid of all the heat of 24 devices that large running at their limits.

Without any numbers, I would guess this amp has the resources to be the biggest production full range amp PG has made. Now, if you are crazy like me and would use an original MS2250 to run your components, just run this amp bridged and it will easily beat the MS2250.

[holmis]

This is true PG porn ! Love it !

I wanna have

[phoenixgold_icy]

i hope the new elite comp line will be even or better than the old elite because i need a new one

when do these come out?

[joerg]

Thanks for the great explanation Eric! I´m a real fan of your numbers and their background attitude!

[audiogood]

Keep in mind the amp with no plexi is an 4 ch and one of the nicest 4ch I have seen in a long time . It's nice to see this kind of quality in an 4 ch amp.

[tvrift]

I have to say, its nice to see a company actually trying to introduce something nice and high quality these days.

[ttocs]

any idea on the price?

[kg1961]

any idea on the price?

i think it was said around the 1200us range

[kg1961]

Gents,

For the past year, we have been hard at work on an extremely high performance amplifier line.

We will be releasing a new High End amplifier line at CES.

Line contains three models. MSRP is $1200 and up.

Build, conservative power ratings and sonic quality that rivals (and surpasses IMHO) ZPA.

More details to come, enjoy...

[Mr. Wild]

Elite.4 Gut Shot...

Welcome to silicon valley! We likes them devices. They tries to steal it from us.. my preciouss..

[J.Wright]

This may have been posted... but... what is the projected availability of these new amplifiers ?

Thank,
J

[Lux]

When is the Phoenix Phorum raffle on one of these again? I forgot the date and time.

[MW3]

Here are some numbers for anyone who might not know what I am talking about.

The original MS2250 is known to be one of the most powerful PG amps of all. It uses 6 TO-247L sized output transistors per channel. These are rated for 150W of thermal capacity. So, as far as output thermal capacity is concerned, 12 of these makes for 1800W on the original MS2250. Now, this is not power output rating, this is the thermal capacity of the devices themselves. They can take bursts of more, and averages of less.

Now, this new PG amp uses 4 MT-200 packaged devices per channel (by the looks of it). These are rated at 200W of thermal capacity. With 16 of these, we are looking at 3200W of thermal capacity. Half of that (2-channels) is down to 1600W. Add in the fact this amp has a fan to keep it cool, and you can get a bit more.

So, based on just the thermal capacity, this amp is similar to a pair of MS2250s in one chassis with one board.

Next, is the power supply section. It is hard to tell, but it looks to be dual power supplies, with 16 MOSFETs in all. This is just a guess. This is the same component count as the ZPA0.5.

Back to output section, the ZPA0.5 uses 24 output devices, all TO-247L sized. However, it runs all of these well under their limits. The ZPA0.5 also does not have the heatsink capacity to get rid of all the heat of 24 devices that large running at their limits.

Without any numbers, I would guess this amp has the resources to be the biggest production full range amp PG has made. Now, if you are crazy like me and would use an original MS2250 to run your components, just run this amp bridged and it will easily beat the MS2250.

Thanks for the kind words Eric. I thought you might like these, perhaps we need to send you one to test.

You are correct its dual supplies with 16 Fets and its conservatively rated.

Also stable to 1 ohm stereo.

Morgan

[MW3]

i hope the new elite comp line will be even or better than the old elite because i need a new one

when do these come out?

April 2012

Showing and playing in a demo car at CES.

[Eric D]

Morgan, can we get photos of the 2-channel and mono amps guts as well?

If these won't be out until April, how much more "adjustment" can be made to the design?