MPS 2240 Upgrades

[Xtian]

You seem to be the one claiming to hear better than anyone else...

so, you're saying that a 21yr old amp with caps that are leaking sounds exactly thesame like one with brand new caps??

[Eric D]

You seem to be the one claiming to hear better than anyone else...

so, you're saying that a 21yr old amp with caps that are leaking sounds exactly thesame like one with brand new caps??

Now you are totally changing your argument.

You are the one who thinks better rail caps makes the amp sound better. And better RCA wires makes it sound better as well. These are wild and baseless claims, which you cannot offer any proof.

I will add this though, the amps I have worked on with leaking caps did not sound any worse than those with new caps, they just run the risk of catching on fire.

Fire = Bad

The leaking caps still served their purpose of keeping ripple down, they just tend to go up in flames eventually. This is not the point you have been pushing.

[freshkryp69]

The gains were prolly..readjusted and it seemed louder..its happened many times..
Without major circuitry rework it has to sound the same..

[Xtian]

Hi fresh, the gain was completely turned down, before and after.

[Xtian]

And better RCA wires makes it sound better as well. These are wild and baseless claims, which you cannot offer any proof.

that there is difference in rca cables is a fact i don't have to proof, there's been lot's of reviews and comparisations by audio magazines wich give proof..
When you buy a CD player and hook it up with the supplied 3$ analog cable with copper conductor or you buy a decent analog cable from a known brand with for example a silver conductor you will hear difference..

[Eric D]

And better RCA wires makes it sound better as well. These are wild and baseless claims, which you cannot offer any proof.

that there is difference in rca cables is a fact i don't have to proof, there's been lot's of reviews and comparisations by audio magazines wich give proof..
When you buy a CD player and hook it up with the supplied 3$ analog cable with copper conductor or you buy a decent analog cable from a known brand with for example a silver conductor you will hear difference..

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...



You are talking about replacing 6in of RCA cable from the sheetmetal end of your amp to its circuit board. This is not the same as replacing a 16ft RCA cable from your head unit to your installation (how ever far it may be).

You can use premium RCAs (like PG included with the MS amps), or cheap RCAs, or lamp cord, or power wire. You can probably use aluminum foil if you wish. Either way it won't make a difference in sound going such a short distance (within reason, the aluminum foil might act as an antennae if big enough, and pick up all sorts of noise).

So, PROVE to us here that replacing your 6in RCA with ugly looking yellow garbage made your amp sound better...

[Xtian]

so we are not going to agree at all and i don't mind, but
the fact that you're the one that keeps on calling my stuff
garbage and vomit colored is only proving that you're the
one that's acting immature..

[ttocs]

NO YOU ARE..................

[Nils]

And it's Popcorn time!!!!!

[Eric D]

Here is where you went off base, and opened yourself up for a less than mature response...

I think your not very bright hey mate..??
everything you change in the signal path makes a difference, the railcaps are actually in the output signal path.
And i didn't only change the caps did i? The more changes you make the more difference.

There will allways be some people who say there's no difference between a 5$ interconnect and a 500$ interconnect.....

If you go back and re-read your posts, you will find you made these comments well before I started making any immature comments towards you.

You have shown you have no respect for others, you don't really know a whole lot about car audio, but you are very good at making unintelligent claims.

Since you just don't get where you went wrong, let me break it down for you...

I think your not very bright hey mate..??

Good job slinging some mud at a long time member of this forum, who obviously knows more than you do about these topics.

everything you change in the signal path makes a difference, the railcaps are actually in the output signal path.

I agree that everything in the signal path makes a difference, but if you or anyone on Earth can hear it, I highly doubt it. However, the rail caps are NOT in the signal path. They are part of the power supply, and are part of the amplifiers circuit at a whole, but changing them to a better quality capacitor has about as much affect on the sound of the amp as changing the paint color of it.

And i didn't only change the caps did i? The more changes you make the more difference.

No, if most of what you change is not related to the sound quality of the amplifier, then most of what you changed has no affect.

There will allways be some people who say there's no difference between a 5$ interconnect and a 500$ interconnect....

Wow! So now you are claiming that cost is related to sound quality? If I buy an interconnect for $5 and sell it too you for $500 it will sound better than the $5 one you could have went and bought yourself? Do you realize a large number of the ultra high end wire companies (MITerminator, Kimber, AudioQuest, etc), repackage other things under their name for massive price increases. Sure they may sell you $10,000 silver interconnects, but when only one person a year buys these items, they need bread and butter products to survive on. The vast majority of what they offer is marketing, not technology.

[ttocs]

thanks dude..... I think we made our points already.

[Mr. Wild]

Haha! This always happens on hifi-related forums. Unending duels between those who "hear" and those that don't. Hifi is a great hobby and hearing differences after a mod is a bonus.

I love the gear and I love the music. It can get ugly if taken too seriously.

[Xtian]

Haha! This always happens on hifi-related forums. Unending duels between those who "hear" and those that don't. Hifi is a great hobby and hearing differences after a mod is a bonus.

that is very true,
but in this case they're just mad for one little phrase( not so bright), that might not be as offending in europe as in the U.S.

[Xtian]

Maybe it is ok to throw out an insult as long as you finish it in "MATE"

i ended the phrase with MATE because in my eyes this just wasn't an insult..
Mate is a colloquialism used to refer to a friend and is commonly used in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. It is or has been used interchangeably with many equivalent terms, such as buddy (popular in United States/Canada), pal (Scottish), or bro (New Zealand).

[Eric D]

I think the real insult is your overall lack of intelligence, and that fact you show up here talking to us like we are clueless.

Start reading around on this forum and you will learn a lot. Then later feel free to start an argument with someone.

When you don't know a whole lot about car audio it does not make much sense to argue on a car audio forum.

[ttocs]

I think the real insult is your overall lack of intelligence, and that fact you show up here talking to us like we are clueless.

Start reading around on this forum and you will learn a lot. Then later feel free to start an argument with someone.

When you don't know a whole lot about car audio it does not make much sense to argue on a car audio forum.

this in the US = "your not too bright mate?". We don't fuck around, twist our/your words to try and prove a point that we can't. You got offended when I said that no one on this site would be able to tell the difference between the special caps and yer wire, not sure why because its true..... I still stand by that, I am not backtracking or trying to change the subj.

Welcome to the phorum!

[Xtian]

We don't fuck around, twist our/your words to try and prove a point that we can't.

well, because you keep on nagging about it, i just measured the resistance of the speakercable i ripped out,
i measured the longest piece wich is about 10 inch and nicely corroded: 0.127 ohms
i had a leftover from the silvercable i used wich is about 20 inch long: <0.005 ohms (my measuring gear won't go any lower then 0.005)

one thing i know for sure, is that everything between the amp and the speaker is added to the speakers impedance

[Xtian]

Start reading around on this forum and you will learn a lot. Then later feel free to start an argument with someone.

i did some reading on the forum, and i did indeed learned some stuff.

but i find it very strange that there are other members on the forum that also increased the capacitance of the railcaps( even bigger increase then i did), but no one seems to bother or tell him he made his amp worse...

I think the real insult is your overall lack of intelligence,

now i could take that as an insult, cause you don't know me at all...
but the fact that i'm writing(typing) in a, for me, third language is already showing some intelligence.

and that fact you show up here talking to us like we are clueless

i showed up with the question for any possible upgrades... instead of getting an answer to my question
i got cracked down immediately on other things i did on the amp..

that i did not properly introduced myself, is actually true, i'm really not into forums, this is the first forum i have ever entered..
i only registered here because i'm a big PG fan, like all of us are...

When you don't know a whole lot about car audio it does not make much sense to argue on a car audio forum

i told you i was a PG dealer long time ago, i never said anything about being a amplifier repair technician or something like that.. car audio is more then only amps...
my expertise goes to designing speaker enclosures for car and home hifi.

[Eric D]

Your argument is all over the place.

If the 10in piece of wire in your amp was that corroded, your amp likely has more issues as well. To get that bad it probably was submerged in water for some time...

If knowing more than one language is the new measurement for intelligence, good for you! I still go by the idea you need to know something about what you are talking about, not something unrelated.

You don't understand my point about capacitance at all.

Adding way more than stock capacitance will increase the resistance of the cap, which may increase ripple. I doubt anyone on Earth can here this increase. You on the other hand think you made the amp sound better. If anything you made it worse. I don't bug anyone else about it, because it is not audible. But since you claim it sounds better, you are making no sense, as it would sound worse (but no one including you would be able to hear it). Do you understand now?

When you make such wild claims, you have to expect people have a hard time explaining their position.

You seem to be an expert at hearing what is not there.

As for designing enclosures, we won't even go there. I have been designing enclosures for years, and have a ton of experience in this area. I almost never discuss this on any forum though, as I feel one needs to be there and be involved in the design to get anywhere. Offering up advice online could easily steer people in the wrong direction. It is a lot like trying to help someone tune the handling of their vehicle without ever driving it...