I need a little guidance so I dont screw up my equipment..

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:44 pm

I just installed most of my stuff finally........my RFX 8250 Denford deck...

my PG Elite 6.5 components and my 1 Ti600 Titanium

Now I will be installing my ZPA 0.3 sooner or later and I was told that I couldnt send the full range signal from the ZPA to the ELites or they would blow.....

I may have been told info based on lack of info on what I had or maybe its right I dont know...

I thought the Elite crossover would take care of what signals made it to the mids and tweets......Is that wrong? I thought that was what it did?

I was also told I needed some kind of card to pop into the ZPA to serve as a high pass or low pass card...or something like that.....? I dont know as the ZPA is new stuff to me...........

If I could get some input on those to things that would be great....and thanks in advance

Mike

Post by **mr tibbs** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:49 pm

I thought you were selling the Denford deck?!

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:00 pm

I talked Tristan into letting me keep it as I really didnt want to sell it and he had 2 already....

he cut me some slack for my moment of weakness...

1moreamp · Post by **1moreamp** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:19 pm

I was trying to tell you NOT to send bass to your elites they won't like it. If you have to use a bass blocker cap, or use a nice electronic crossover to get the signals straight. You cant send 50 hertz bass to those mid-bass drivers.

Heres a quick suggestion, use your TI-600 for the elites and then use the low pass out of the 600 to the ZPA for your bass. this way you use the crossover built into the 600 to setup your system.... Does this make sense ???

PS you know you could just PM me for any clarification you might need instead of doubting my explanation the way you did.

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:22 am

Cecil....Its not like that , I pm'd you about all that...not like that at all...I would have thought you knew that..sorry..

Anyhow...

I am now a little confused....why do I need a bass blocker or a crossover to run the ELites when they have a crossover already? Is there something I am missing?

I have my Ti600 set the HP( high pass) and the xover set to 110.....I was thinking that was good...

I understand the using of the Ti600 for the xover and sending the signal from the Ti pass thru to the next amp (ZPA)

I just need to know if my points I just asked are wrong or what as I thought that was correct....

I cant go out and add more stuff if I dont have my mind right to begin with..

Again Cecil......I really wish you hadnt taken my post like that as I look to you for advice all the time for anything to do with an amp....I have changed all my amps based on talking to you...

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:33 am

gentlejax2 wrote:
I am now a little confused....why do I need a bass blocker or a crossover to run the ELites when they have a crossover already? Is there something I am missing?

as far as i know , the passive xover that comes with a 2-way comp set has only one cut-off frequency point or xover point for the entire frequency range.

The high frequencies above the cut-off point goes to the tweets and anything below that goes to the mids in a 2-way set-up.

So say the xover point is 4Khz ,any music signal with frequencies below 4Khz goes to the mids and thats including sub frequencies.

So having another xover creates one more High-Pass xover point in the lower region and helps to filter the lower or sub frequencies from reaching the mids. This in a word creates a band-pass for the mids.

correct me if i'm wrong here ppl

Post by **AVICJR** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:34 am

You need no correction. Excellent explanation eyesofra.

What is a good HP xover point for the Ti Elite's? ~80 Hz?

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:38 am

Yeah what is a good xover point for the Elites...

So if my Ti600 is set to HP doesnt that eliminate the need for anthing else other than the passive crossover...

or do I have that wrong as well....

my options are HP / LP and a couple more on the Ti600 and the HP is currently set on 110 because the next option is 40...

Post by **AVICJR** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:45 am

jax-- try 80 Hz HP xover. If the speaker sounds like it's distorting go higher on the xover point.

Use the xover on the Ti 600.2. What you are doing, as eyesofra said above is cutting off the signal so that nothing below the 80 Hz is sent to the speakers.

You are letting the high pass=HP above that frequency (80 Hz).

Again, I'm just guessing on the HP for the Elite's. Someone else more familiar with them should chime in. aka fowler, stipud, or vin.

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:54 am

thanks for the advice...thats what I thought ....but the Ti600 only has option of 110 then 40....i think....I will need to look at it again....

the manual on the Elites sucks...its like 2 sheets of paper with a bunch of pretty pics of the speakers...yeah they are nice but damn..how about some info on using them too...PG should have done better than that..

...but I guess when they made them they figured if you could afford them then you knew how to use them...they didnt figure on knuckleheads like me using them

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:56 am

x2............

I've set my rsd250.2 at 65Hz High Pass for my rsd 65cs and its good.
And that a -18db xover on the rsd amp.
With -24db xover on the Ti , my guess is that the elites wont have any prob with 80Hz.

Just my opinion fellas, i could be wrong.

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:59 am

gentlejax2 wrote:thanks for the advice...thats what I thought ....but the Ti600 only has option of 110 then 40....i think....I will need to look at it again....

are the xovers on the Ti fixed like that...something like xenon ?
I though it had a variable xover pot on it....

Post by **AVICJR** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:00 am

I just looked at the manual. I was thinking that the xover was the same as the Xenon's, were you can dial it to an exact frequency, so no the xover is not fixed like the Xenon's.

Start at 110 Hz and go down until you find a point that isn't distorting. When you find that point, go up a hair higher from there.

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:05 am

...thats what i did in my system....got tired of all those numbers and deciding ehich point, so decided to just listen and set it...for once....

gentlejax2 · Post by **gentlejax2** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:34 am

the Ti600 is labeled and you jut turn the pot to that number that you want but the options are limited...

I need to see what they are and then let you know..

its like this..

variable from 40 -800 with 24db slobe

40 , 110 , 160 , 220 , 300 ,450 , 800....

so there is a big jumpo in between...but I think I can dial somewhere between the 2 or leave it at 110...

manual:

ftp://207.109.65.132/Phoenix_Gold/Manua ... manual.pdf

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:54 am

those numbers are just guides so it would be easier for us to determine the xover points.

bro ur lucky it has these many xover points printed out there for reference, a lot of amps like the rsd just has a 40Hz printed out at one side and 400Hz at the other end.

I wish my amps had that many reference points printed out, though it doesnt really matter now....

stick with ur idea, just dial in-between 40 to 110 and go by what avic suggested.......

adios...