1500-2500 watt amp suggestions

dcmcki · Post by **dcmcki** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:45 am

I was contemplating selling off/trading my two PG Black ZX500's for a large single amp but wanted some suggestions.......I wish I had the money for a MS1000ta but that aint gonna happen. I have looked at the Oldand new US AMPS offerings and have read and heard good things about Sundown. Does anyone have any thoughts??????

I may just end up keeping what I have but would like someone else's opinions......I will be pushing two DD 3512's.

Thanks.

Mastiff · Post by **Mastiff** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:28 am

what do you want for the zx500's?

Post by **stipud** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:44 am

Sundown is your usual cookie cutter Chinese amp. Makes it's power... so if you want to get loud it's a decent choice.

If you can stand the looks, the Xenon or RSD 1200.1's are beasts as well, though they are on the low end of your power range.

dcmcki · Post by **dcmcki** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:39 am

Well I really havent decided that I want to part with them yet..( have matching Black ZX450 as well..reason why I dont know if I really want to sell)
I mainly wanted someone else opinion on that power range.....really was lookin at about 1000 watts to each but may just end up runnin the zx500's.

I am not a SPL freak...more SQL...I know the power will be "cleaner" than most of the newer import stuff available.

dcmcki · Post by **dcmcki** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:32 am

Unless I just trip over and fall into a deal for something along the lines of the Old School US Amps 2000x or the Newer still made in USA AX-2000 I will continue to run my beloved PG's........

Sure wish I had the scratch to go with a MS1000

Mackenzie · Post by **Mackenzie** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:36 am

Exile 2400.1? I ran one a while back, and loved it. Tons of power in a small space..

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:13 pm

I don't know the cost of a MS1000t , but I'll throw it in, but soooooo $$$$$$$$$$$$

Zapco C2K 9.0x Wicked amp

dcmcki · Post by **dcmcki** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:17 pm

The cost would be in the same neighborhood of the Zapco. The real alure of the Ms1000 is the fact that it is true Old School PG. The same way I feel about my ZX's, the US Amps, and even the older Orion hcca's I had previously.

Mackenzie · Post by **Mackenzie** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:13 pm

dcmcki wrote:The cost would be in the same neighborhood of the Zapco. The real alure of the Ms1000 is the fact that it is true Old School PG. The same way I feel about my ZX's, the US Amps, and even the older Orion hcca's I had previously.

exile= old pg engineers fyi

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:23 pm

I'm a fan, so I'd have to go with the 1000 too!!

In the past few years, I've only seen 1 up for sale ever on ebay, which was fairly recent.

The ZX500 was my first amp, and ever since I've used nothing else for amps (other than PG)!! So I completely understand your affection for your ZX's!

The ZX got stolen

a couple years back, and now I'm using the Xenon 200.4. Components up front, 6X9's in the rear, and 2 12" IDQ for sub is all running off this amp! Sensitivity and bass boost knob turned up 1/4 the way for comps and 6X9s, 1/2 for the subs on the other pair of channels. Never fails to blow me away in both power and sound quality!

I guess like you, I'll just have to wait it out before another 2250 or 1000 goes on sale. I just really want to try out one of the MS2250 or of course, the MS1000 someday!!

Post by **Wakeup** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:40 pm

Many MS1000's have popped up on the bay this PAST year alone....Check out the Auctions section and search Ms1000. I think.....3 of us or maybe 4 or 5 of us picked up MS1000's this year.

Me being one of them...Mine's a TA version.

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:53 am

OH, okay. . . I was sort of wondering how it seemed like everyone had one in that "stash" string!

Any idea what they're running for?

seandiguer · Post by **seandiguer** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:28 pm

HAHAAHA ive seen a few soundstream reference 1000's on ebay in the last lil while. And they went cheep. 300-400 bucks. good power for the money.
I have a couple of zx500's too, but was under the impression they can put out around the 1000W mark each?.. Am i wrong?

Post by **Wakeup** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:48 pm

the Ms1000ta's seem to go for about a grand easily....and quite possible +/- 100-200...depending on condition and if it is TA or old version.

dcmcki · Post by **dcmcki** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:42 pm

I personally have never seen a birth sheet on any zx500's....I have "heard numbers in the low 700's though. Not really sure since i have no hard data in hand. I would certantly be interested to know some though

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:43 pm

Whoa. . . well I was digging around some old stuff and found this!!

This is the test data sheet that came with the amp that I bought way back in Sept. 1997 from an authorized PG dealer. I remember buying it for right around 850.00. Went back into the same store a few months later and they slashed the price by half due to the introduction of the TI600.2

Okay, sorry. . .I tried attaching the file to my picture, but it said the extension wasn't allowed.

Anyway, the graph shows a plot of THD + N (%) VS. power (x-axis) on a logarithmic scale. Starts @ 0.1% @1 W and slants down almost linearly to a hair under 0.01% at about 175 Watts. Then the curve spikes dramatically to 1% distortion at just a hair under 200Watts. Test was done @ 4 ohms stereo with both channels driven simultaneously 1KHz, 13.8VDC, and 22KHz Lowpass Filter.

So, according to this test data from PG, it looks like if you ran the amp at 2 ohm stereo you would have somewhere in the neighborhood of 800W RMS with 1% THD!! Quite impressive!!

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:57 pm

Well shave me bald and call me a sheep. . .

I just looked up the word simultaneously, so that is the power output for both channels driven at the same time

That meaning that running a 2ohm stereo load gives you about 400W RMS @ 1%THD.

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:59 am

which would be 800 watts at 4ohms bridged...very nice.

PGsta14me · Post by **PGsta14me** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:13 am

Makes me want to go out and get another one!!! Thanks for the clarity on that!