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Eric D wrote:If you need to adjust how much bass you want, then either your stereo is not adjusted properly, or you prefer to not listen to music as the artist intended.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think "how the artist intended" is a bit of an audiophallic statement.

Yes, I strive for quality reproduction but I don't think I'm as dedicated or as sensitive to the overall quality of reproduction as you are, so clearly we'll have somewhat different views on this.

As I said before, I have many tracks that just aren't produced super well or even aren't produced the way I'd ultimately like but are great songs that I enjoy anyways. I have some stuff by The Roots that fits that bill exactly. For whatever reason, the bass is just way too freaking loud but with the LPL, I turn it down and it becomes far more pleasurable than listening at ultra-low volumes or blasting ridiculous amounts of bass just to have the vocals at the level that I want them. The tracks just aren't balanced well enough for my tastes.

Sometimes, for me, enjoying a track means turning down the bass because it's overwhelming, sometimes it means giving it a little more juice because it's lacking.

As an example, I like to have a little more bass that the artist intended when listening to Dave Brubek. I like to feel the kick drum a little more than I would if it were playing flat because I'm a drummer and the drum tracks are really what get me hard about Brubek's jazz tunes. That's what I enjoy so much.



All that said...

I think you make good points as to how and why the LPL can and IS misused. I agree with those statements. However, I don't believe that the potential for misuse of any product should be used as a reason against it's existence. I'm sure if you apply that logic to guns, you'd agree :D

At the end of the day and all this typing, my LPL knob really doesn't get a whole lot of use. I'm defending it because I found it to have a use to me that I wanted to share. I use it when I switch from something that was produces one way to something that was produced in another. If that means going from The Roots to Dave Brubek (which I like opposite settings for), I use it, otherwise, it stays pretty constantly in one position. I think that is responsible use of the device.
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^lol, i have noticed that with the roots too. the "sacrifice" song has this odd note that is just out of place
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Being a old fart, I listen to old fart music most of the time. And that music has less bass content then most of the modern exaggerated bass of the current day genre.
So I be a firm believer in the LPL control, along with the bass cube. I use both daily to adjust my content to my listening pleasure and to prevent damage to my sub system in my truck. < mostly from modern content music>

As with any functional add-on device I suppose it can be used for less desirable operations. But I am proud to use my LPL for rational functional control purposes, and would recommend it highly to anyone looking to add more control at their finger tips.

As for people that use the LPL to exaggerate bass content well they are my best customers usually and they can be counted on to pay my bills. It must be in their genes I would guess :lol: :lol: :lol:

Long live the LPL, and the Bass Cube also...

In fact I have some plans for a more complex setup that uses all of the above but adds a cut control to fine tune my sub at there resonance point to flatten out my bass better. That is after all what I shooting for a more natural flat reproduction in my bass line. So in the end run I will have a combined bass control system that will combine both LPL and two parametric bass controls 1 for boost,, and 1 for cut...All in pursuit of perfect bass.... :)

And Doc, no bad feelings intended I just feel the LPL has a useful purpose, and just about anything else as long as it helps me achieve my goals of natural sounding bass in a car. Something I am sure you will agree is a very difficult thing to achieve... :)
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Post by Eric D »

Great job with the gun statement. It seems when ever I make a point others feel they should make it political which will force me to fail since I am a minority on this forum.
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I was using an analogy. Since I was replying to you I figured one that you're familiar with would work well.

I wasn't implying that guns should be restricted because they can be misused, quite the opposite actually. Read it again if you don't think that's the case.

I didn't think we were arguing or that there needed to be a winner or someone who was absolutely correct. Me bringing up an analogy using guns doesn't prevent you from posting the reasons you don't believe in the LPL.

I'm sure the people reading are able to use their own brains and determine for themselves whether they agree with either of our points, or both.
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Post by dedlyjedly »

:roll: Come on Eric. Fuzzy was NOT making the discussion political. He simply compared his very valid point to something you can relate to. I believe we all should be able to realize a greater understanding of another person's opinion without feeling that we have somehow compromised our own beliefs. We don't want you to fail! :wink:

I can definitely understand both arguments here. As a retailer that has tried to sell the LPL feature and it's benefits over a typical sub-level control it can be very frustrating to see a customer fail to understand some of these concepts and use the knob to create a bass line @ +12dB. On the other hand, I still plan on using the lpl for the manipulation of the bass line that Cecil and others have described here.
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Post by Pedi »

For my consern, I appreciate both Eric's and Fuzzy's opinion here. I agree with them both, and I hope you, Eric, did not feel that there was an attack towards you from Fuzzy.

As I understood it, Fuzzy respectly agreed with you, but JUST had some extra points of view. And I did agree with both of you, as I just wrote..
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I don’t see it as an attack, I just find it ironic. If I made a political comparison to something totally unrelated in the audio world, at least 3 people here would tear at me right and left over it. It gets so frustrating dealing with people when you have to walk on egg shells around them to keep from getting overwhelmed.

If I had made that statement, the next 5 posts following it would be primarily consisting of the rolling eyes emoticon.
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Eric D wrote:I don’t see it as an attack, I just find it ironic. If I made a political comparison to something totally unrelated in the audio world, at least 3 people here would tear at me right and left over it. It gets so frustrating dealing with people when you have to walk on egg shells around them to keep from getting overwhelmed.

If I had made that statement, the next 5 posts following it would be primarily consisting of the rolling eyes emoticon.
Hi Eric, I hope you don't feel like I was busting your chops for anything. I was just explaining myself and I added a post script just for you so I would not offend a friend... :lol: :)
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Eric D wrote:I don’t see it as an attack, I just find it ironic. If I made a political comparison to something totally unrelated in the audio world, at least 3 people here would tear at me right and left over it. It gets so frustrating dealing with people when you have to walk on egg shells around them to keep from getting overwhelmed.

If I had made that statement, the next 5 posts following it would be primarily consisting of the rolling eyes emoticon.
So your statement had little to do with me beyond the fact that I was the one that made it, but more to do with the environment here?
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