what is the best 10 or 12" sub 500watts 4ohm

Post by **kg1961** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:42 am

Hello Everyone
I was wondering what is the best sub sq /spl that needs 500watts rms 4ohm, 1.5 cub or smaller, sealed box. single driver
I want to hear what you have used not what you have read.
I listin to dance, rap, rock
this is going to go into a 2007 bmw 328i in the storage area firing up to the trunk
I have used about 30 or more differnt subs in the past
just like to hear what you like!
price I will spend UP TO$500

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:08 am

the RSDc10 would be the first choice for me...the 12 was hands down the best sub i have ever heard running off a xenon 600.1 but in my brothers car being powered by an xs2500...i dont think it would get loud enough for your tastes. so you might look at the 10.

but with a $500 range...you are entering all kinds of area i haven't dabbled in. you are in the land of JL W7's, Hertz, alpine X's, JBL GTI's....

Post by **stipud** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:18 am

X2 on the RSD comp sub... Simply the best woofer I have owned. It just an extremely well rounded sub, which has no problems playing anything you can throw at it. It blends magnificently well with your front stage, even when it doesn't have dedicated midbass. It gets quite loud off of little power as well! I was amazed to hear what it can do on 300 watts, it's audibly louder than my previous 2xRSD12 (plain) install.

If you have dedicated midbass up front, and only plan to use the sub below 50-60Hz, then I would instead recommend a regular RSD, or better yet a Xenon or IDMax, since they are beasts of bottom end. I found all of them to be WAY too sloppy at playing metal however, and just poorly timed for rap. The RSD comp woofer had no trouble with this in my install.

Since buying it, it's the only sub that I haven't thought "if only it could do this better", and I think it has become a permanent part of my setup. I might still pick up a 10" version of it, just because I have a really nice box that Bfowler built me (that is, unless he feels up to building me a 12" box as well hehe).

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:27 am

i could see that happening. i stll trying to get the perfect size dialed in for it. i'm thinking right around 1.25-1.4 for it sealed.

its really uncanny....i think it play the lows even more smooth then the xenon...i really can't imagine a sub sounding better.

the xenon has offically been exiled to future home audio use

Post by **stipud** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:15 am

Aw, we're subwoofer buddies now (actually, we have the same front stage as well

).

Post by **Bfowler** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:24 am

now if we could just get you into a car that can handle.....

(or me in a car that can accelerate)

ok...sorry...back to the best sub-woofer for 500 watts and $500 discussion

Post by **kg1961** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:35 am

thanks for the info
I do like the sound of a 10 but my car had 13 speakers with 2 8 subs under the seat
the only problem is the mids are all 4"
front, rear door and rears
I am using the 8" for more of a mid bass
I used a orion hcca from 2000 with a ported box very nice.
The choice doesn't have to be PG

Post by **kg1961** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:40 am

Hi stipud
do you have the sub set up now? if you have time I will drive over to hear it? let me know does Bfowler live in calgary also?

Post by **stipud** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:59 am

mikelycka wrote:Hi stipud
do you have the sub set up now? if you have time I will drive over to hear it? let me know does Bfowler live in calgary also?

Sure, any time. If you have an amp hooked up, we can even try it out in your car.

Most weeknights my girlfriend has the car for tutoring, but we can work something out. I wouldn't even mind pausing for a few minutes at work to show you either. I live/work in the university area FYI. Just bring your own CDs because my musical selection is a bit... *ahem* special

Bfowler lives in Portland. I suck at wood fabrication (no tools) so he actually builds, disassembles, and then mails me boxes.

tristan20 · Post by **tristan20** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:04 am

Image Dynamics IDQs

Jopop · Post by **Jopop** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:05 am

mikelycka wrote:thanks for the info
I do like the sound of a 10 but my car had 13 speakers with 2 8 subs under the seat
the only problem is the mids are all 4"
front, rear door and rears
I am using the 8" for more of a mid bass
I used a orion hcca from 2000 with a ported box very nice.
The choice doesn't have to be PG

Your only problem is a huge problem IMO

You'd probably be better off with an RSDc then if it plays higher frequencies more nicely

I'm putting a hertz energy 10" in my car this weekend.. I'd be happy to give a review (blew my RE12 yesterday

) They're supposed to be almost like a midbass though, very tight and clean, no boom at all. No monster low end extension though but i don't care, I want a non-boomy sub system like i have in my living room..

flogger11 · Post by **flogger11** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:56 pm

Treo, Treo, Treo! SSi 10, 12 or 15" dvc with either four or two ohm voicecoils depending on your application. I will have mine installed in the next week or so and will be running 600 rms on it! I will be writing a short review a few days after...

BenVollmer · Post by **BenVollmer** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:10 pm

JL 10W6. Freaking rocks. Plays low. Plays Hard. Generally kicks butt.

Post by **mhyde71** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:58 pm

I have two 12" W6's and just until lately.. I have been feeling kinda disapointed with them.. I know they rock, lows, mids, etc.. but and i think it might be somewhat psycological.. as I have been recently told the RSD's Comps are a way better sub and the Treo's SSi (think ssi's... SXI or whatever). But I have been finding/hearing faults with the W6's.. However, and I may be mistaken, but i think the w6's are 400 rms.. and when I bump it, either hip hop, or dancehall reggae, or classic rock.. I have recently been thinking that the 80-125hz is lacking.. not blending well and I am not sure if tit might have something to do with the fact that they are 400wrms and the MS2250 is 517 x 2 @ 2ohm.. not sure how that comes into play.. but it's kinda like i can't control, tweak, fool with the sub when music is runnin'.. not sure if I am making sense but kinda noticed it recently.. I have been trying to find/look up what those treos were that frogger was reccomending.. and i see it just above me.. the SSI's.. are those the highest end of treos's or is itlike the w6's vs. the w7's the w7 being the higher end of sub, but not as good as the w6's???

Anyways.. just been kinda thinking about getting some different subs... but it's hard for to break away from the w6's I have had a number of pairs of and go with/to something else.... I am awfully tempted to sell the w6's (which I have three of them; two installed one on book case) and maybe try a little something out.. but what that something might be?? i dunno??? m

BenVollmer · Post by **BenVollmer** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:16 am

mhyde71 wrote:I have two 12" W6's and just until lately.. I have been feeling kinda disapointed with them.. I know they rock, lows, mids, etc.. but and i think it might be somewhat psycological.. as I have been recently told the RSD's Comps are a way better sub and the Treo's SSi (think ssi's... SXI or whatever). But I have been finding/hearing faults with the W6's.. However, and I may be mistaken, but i think the w6's are 400 rms.. and when I bump it, either hip hop, or dancehall reggae, or classic rock.. I have recently been thinking that the 80-125hz is lacking.. not blending well and I am not sure if tit might have something to do with the fact that they are 400wrms and the MS2250 is 517 x 2 @ 2ohm.. not sure how that comes into play.. but it's kinda like i can't control, tweak, fool with the sub when music is runnin'.. not sure if I am making sense but kinda noticed it recently.. I have been trying to find/look up what those treos were that frogger was reccomending.. and i see it just above me.. the SSI's.. are those the highest end of treos's or is itlike the w6's vs. the w7's the w7 being the higher end of sub, but not as good as the w6's???

Anyways.. just been kinda thinking about getting some different subs... but it's hard for to break away from the w6's I have had a number of pairs of and go with/to something else.... I am awfully tempted to sell the w6's (which I have three of them; two installed one on book case) and maybe try a little something out.. but what that something might be?? i dunno??? m

Your playing them too high. Cross over @ 80 hz. Feed Gobs of power. I have just under 1k running to one. HOLY CRAP. a Xenon 10 doesn't quite play as loud, but plays as low, but not as musical.

Subs should be felt and not heard. Go buy some mid bass drivers.

Post by **mhyde71** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:47 am

BenVollmer wrote:
mhyde71 wrote:I have two 12" W6's and just until lately.. I have been feeling kinda disapointed with them.. I know they rock, lows, mids, etc.. but and i think it might be somewhat psycological.. as I have been recently told the RSD's Comps are a way better sub and the Treo's SSi (think ssi's... SXI or whatever). But I have been finding/hearing faults with the W6's.. However, and I may be mistaken, but i think the w6's are 400 rms.. and when I bump it, either hip hop, or dancehall reggae, or classic rock.. I have recently been thinking that the 80-125hz is lacking.. not blending well and I am not sure if tit might have something to do with the fact that they are 400wrms and the MS2250 is 517 x 2 @ 2ohm.. not sure how that comes into play.. but it's kinda like i can't control, tweak, fool with the sub when music is runnin'.. not sure if I am making sense but kinda noticed it recently.. I have been trying to find/look up what those treos were that frogger was reccomending.. and i see it just above me.. the SSI's.. are those the highest end of treos's or is itlike the w6's vs. the w7's the w7 being the higher end of sub, but not as good as the w6's???

Anyways.. just been kinda thinking about getting some different subs... but it's hard for to break away from the w6's I have had a number of pairs of and go with/to something else.... I am awfully tempted to sell the w6's (which I have three of them; two installed one on book case) and maybe try a little something out.. but what that something might be?? i dunno??? m
Your playing them too high. Cross over @ 80 hz. Feed Gobs of power. I have just under 1k running to one. HOLY CRAP. a Xenon 10 doesn't quite play as loud, but plays as low, but not as musical.

Subs should be felt and not heard. Go buy some mid bass drivers.

Yeah Typically I have either 50 or 80 or 125.. mostly 80hz where it is crossed over at. becasue that is where the CXS62's are crossed over at.... both or everything crossed over at the 80hz...

here's one of my poroblems that i rdo realize is that i mostly listen to music videos. I download music videos off of eMule and then convert them to ipod or burn them to dvd... what the trouble there is, is that there are so many different file formats, qualities of recordings, etc... and i may have some yung joc that sounds wonderfull, but then let me play the next track of bill withers and because of it's age, and probably recorded from VCR to something to make it a video file format.. (like making chicken soup out of chicken shit- YOU CANT)... So i certainly realize that plays a major role in some of the sound quality/reproduction, etc... BUt there are cases where I will play strickly mp3's and just think/feel that those subs could be doing better or listening to a hard hitting, clean video track and t6he subs sound as though that are just not able to reproduce that way they should be for some reason... maybe psycological, i dunno...

What shal i do for more midd bass??? I'm listening.. I wanted to make the CXS62's some baffles which I hear/think/feel will help out a bit, but aside from that what might be a good route to go??? -

One other thing ... I was fooling with my balance and fader last night on way home from work.. why is it that when i push all the left side speakers subs and fronts/reasrs.. I get next to nothing for sub play.. and just the same for when i go all to the right... going abck and forth to right and left i noticed and (never think i noticed this before) but swinging back and forth on the left/right why is there no sub action... thought that to be wierd. m

Not trying to jack a thread here but the feedback/responses may very well help in your search for your sub(s).. i have always/would have recommended JLw6's but I feel I am being let down by them recent, but havent for year prior so I think i am doing something different from than before..

Post by **kg1961** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:24 am

I am looking at the Treo 12" and the jl 12w6
what box size is the Treo any specs model numbers??
let me know
thanks guys

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:45 am

not trying to be a fan boy (says the moderator on the PG fan site)

but i really do think the RSDc destroys the w6 in every conceivable way.

ben, have a box or the badwidth to audition a RSDc 12?

Post by **mhyde71** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:00 am

Bfowler wrote:not trying to be a fan boy (says the moderator on the PG fan site)

but i really do think the RSDc destroys the w6 in every conceivable way.

ben, have a box or the badwidth to audition a RSDc 12?

Brian, I can not recall if you said you had tried the two W6's vs. the rsd'c or not.. think you said the Vanillas were better than the w6's and the RSDc's were better than the vanilla's... right something like that..
For me, not sure about Mike (who started this thred) but I am just so apprehensive about going with the RSDC's b/c of the subconscience feeling of how can they be better with two of them costing same as one W6?? know what I mean.. I hate to sound like I do not trust you or anything b/c that's certainly not the case.. just concerned about the idealogy of "you get what you pay for"... And I'm kinda like the guy that is willing to pay that premium for name/build quality, etc... am I wrong fo0r thinking/feeling that way??? Inclined to try them... just wouldn't wanna jump out there and then end up being disapointed... which 20% of me feel that probably wouldn't be the case.. but just not made of money I guess....

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:17 am

mhyde71 wrote:
Bfowler wrote:not trying to be a fan boy (says the moderator on the PG fan site)

but i really do think the RSDc destroys the w6 in every conceivable way.

ben, have a box or the badwidth to audition a RSDc 12?
Brian, I can not recall if you said you had tried the two W6's vs. the rsd'c or not.. think you said the Vanillas were better than the w6's and the RSDc's were better than the vanilla's... right something like that..
For me, not sure about Mike (who started this thred) but I am just so apprehensive about going with the RSDC's b/c of the subconscience feeling of how can they be better with two of them costing same as one W6?? know what I mean.. I hate to sound like I do not trust you or anything b/c that's certainly not the case.. just concerned about the idealogy of "you get what you pay for"... And I'm kinda like the guy that is willing to pay that premium for name/build quality, etc... am I wrong fo0r thinking/feeling that way??? Inclined to try them... just wouldn't wanna jump out there and then end up being disapointed... which 20% of me feel that probably wouldn't be the case.. but just not made of money I guess....

You're not wrong for thinking like that, but if you ever get a chance to listen to an RSdC in action, you should take it and THEN decide how you feel about it's price point and performance. I still haven't heard the RSdC myself, but I'm willing to believe what people say after running the vanilla RSd12s for a while now.

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:18 am

Brandon said he like the RSD's over the W6's in his review. i think the the w6's are tighter...but don't have the overall output of the RSD. its sort of a toss up to me...but i did like the W6 a bit better then the regular RSD

the RSDc....is just amazing.

i dont blame you for feeling that way...thats prefectly natural!

although i do think some of the difference is JL is the hottest name in the game right now, and they know it.

i take it there are no local deales out there to listen to?

Post by **mhyde71** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:22 am

Bfowler wrote:Brandon said he like the RSD's over the W6's in his review. i think the the w6's are tighter...but don't have the overall output of the RSD. its sort of a toss up to me...but i did like the W6 a bit better then the regular RSD

the RSDc....is just amazing.

although i do think some of the difference is JL is the hottest name in the game right now, and they know it.

i take it there are no local deales out there to listen to?

no way.. probably at least 1.5 hours away and that's if I am lucky! I will poke around though... but not too promising as I live in the backwoods of Vermont... we have a radio shack and tha's it. people want anythin they have to go to circuit city 40 minutes away...

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:27 am

ah...yeah thats a bit much. i check on shipping rates too, it would take about $35 to send one to you and back

i think with the treo/W6..you wont be dissapointed either way. its not like any of these woofers are BAD by any strech.

i would just go with which ever you find a screaming deal on first.

or...we could also see if brandon is up for doing another reveiw!

Post by **mhyde71** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:32 am

Bfowler wrote:
or...we could also see if brandon is up for doing another reveiw!

ah yes.. brandon review, brandon review, brandon review, brandon review, ENCORE ENCORE!! Review #2 ! I applaud his first review as I may not have previously!
m

BenVollmer · Post by **BenVollmer** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:46 am

Bfowler wrote:not trying to be a fan boy (says the moderator on the PG fan site)

but i really do think the RSDc destroys the w6 in every conceivable way.

ben, have a box or the badwidth to audition a RSDc 12?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I can write a rewview as a part of my regular posts over on SoundDomain.com. I would prefer a 10" as that would be apples to apples for me. But heck, yeah.

You know what I was impressed with for the little amount of money I spent on it? A TMA 10".... Thing hit hard and felt good.

But know that I am 100% SQ oriented and all of my materials are top notch, no eMule crap. (Chesky, TelArc, etc.) So I may not be coming at this from the same angle.

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