this is exactly what ive been sayn, evry1 tells me to chill

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:05 am

Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'.
Lee Iacocca Says:
'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.'
Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This isAmerica, not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'
You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the 'America' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?
I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)
Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.
We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.
We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country.
We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.
Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble.
Our borders are like sieves.
The middle class is being squeezed every which way.
These are times that cry out for leadership.
But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?
We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.
Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm.
Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.
Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.
I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?
Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America. In my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy Assassination,' the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970's oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11.
If I've learned one thing, it's this: 'You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a "Call to Action" for people who, like me, believe inAmerica'. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.'
Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!

Post by **stipud** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:14 am

http://phoenixphorum.com/some-truthful- ... t8121.html

Way easier to read too

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:30 am

I know U and other guys here are in Canada, or other countries, but this basically says what ive been thinking for a while now, im only 39, with a 4 year old daughter, and im starting to think alot about the Future! It all seems like Common sense to me, but nobody seems to use it much anymore; thats why when i dont know what im exactly doing i ask u other guys with more xperience!

OldSchoolFool · Post by **OldSchoolFool** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:23 pm

The system is corrupt from top to bottom. Now it's time for the "other team" to take the stage for 8 years.

You hoping for change? AHhahahahahahaha. Keep up the

, you're gonna need it. Really? Just look at Blago, selling the seat. Typical Chicago, er, uh, Everywhere politics. Now we have Richardson going down and bowing out for the same "pay to play" power game. They all do it. Biden- his kids are professional lobbyists. Feinstein- she funnels defence contracts to her husband's pals. And so on. If you dig, they ALL have dirt like this.

D or R, doesn't matter- those are just the "right" and "left" wings of the same lame bird.

Say good bye to freedom of speech- they're going to install the fairness doctrine and talk radio will be silenced. They're going to install internet filters, MANDATORY internet filters, just like they have in China, or more lately- Australia. They will use HateSpeak laws to silence Christians who speak out about morality (AZ state bar exam already demands that lawyers set aside morality). They will silence any dissent, they say so themselves!

Say good bye to your guns. Say good bye to your cars. Say good bye to deciding where you want to live/work in a city.

Say hello to new taxes at every turn. Taxes now for bullshit global warming? What does me paying more for electricity have to do with the temperature outside? Some fat cat at the electric company gets a bonus, and I get to "feel good". Now the cold winter is "fresh evidence of super crazy warming!!!"

All of these things I mention are on the plate, most people don't want to see it. Doing something about it has to happen at the grass roots level, in local elections. The people who want to think for you, who want to limit your horizons, who want to change the way you live- these people will never rest. It's hard to have the strength to fight them every day, and they know it. Drip drip drip, like water torture, and one day you wake up feeling like Lee, going "where'd my country go?"

Just my opinion.

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:14 pm

I know we see many life issues differently OSF, but I generally agree with your opinion here. I just disagree with what "has to happen" for this to change. I don't think grassroots movements will have any effect while (mostly) everyone is still sucking on uncle sam's tit. With the decreasing level and quality of education and the massively widening gap between the rich and the poor, we're guaranteeing that we won't been weened off very soon.

I also think that "changing the way you live" is inevitable, regardless of regime change or not. I believe the way we live is unsustainable regardless of which puppet we prop up or even if we tear out the whole system from the bottom up. Fearing change seems natural but it doesn't address the fact that the human experience has been changing since the very earliest evidence we can gather about humanity. The human experience WILL change over time, that's a guarantee... and it seems to be happening faster and faster: The telescoping effect of "evolution". Those that cling to their current lifestyles for dear life and cry foul over the government handling of their life will be left behind. Life is perpetually changing... for better or for worse I can't claim to be the judge of, I just look at what is known about our history and what I've experienced over my short life and that's all I have to base my belief that things are in perpetual change on.

Ramble, ramble.

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:52 pm

i didnt even see that post from HH-

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:15 pm

i just have one question though- Who the F**k MADE ALL THE PROFIT OFF of fuel at almost 4 bux a gallon?????? and now, were all soo happy b/c its 1.59 a gallon-someone should have to pay for that; ceos need to stop making over a million, and athletes as well, -thats the deal, ceos are not taking a pay cut, and, causing job loss to keep their ridiculous salaries, bonus- i called my congressman and asked him to vote NO on any and all bailouts-noones bailing me out right now( i take that back, i get 545 dollars from the state every 2 weeks till March) give me a break-thats why i wanna deport my old english boss; in this country for 25 years and still not a citizen, but he gets to reap socail security, etc.etc., my uncle didnt die in ww2 for his ass while my family and I suffer

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:19 pm

thedeal7235 wrote:i just have one question though- Who the F**k MADE ALL THE PROFIT OFF of fuel at almost 4 bux a gallon?????? and now, were all soo happy b/c its 1.59 a gallon-someone should have to pay for that; ceos need to stop making over a million, and athletes as well, -thats the deal, ceos are not taking a pay cut, and, causing job loss to keep their ridiculous salaries, bonus- i called my congressman and asked him to vote NO on any and all bailouts-noones bailing me out right now( i take that back, i get 545 dollars from the state every 2 weeks till March) give me a break-thats why i wanna deport my old english boss; in this country for 25 years and still not a citizen, but he gets to reap socail security, etc.etc., my uncle didnt die in ww2 for his ass while my family and I suffer

I don't mean you or your uncle any disrespect, but England was your ALLY in WW2. British men and women died alongside Americans.

Post by **stipud** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:26 pm

Ryan, haven't you seen any movies? Everyone knows 'merikuh won dubya dubya two.

So your English boss, who came to America as an immigrant, and created jobs and income for other Americans has no right to social security eh? Yeah all those dang ferners should just GIT OUT.

5.9Limited · Post by **5.9Limited** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:37 pm

Im with ya...its a screwed up system...no ones what they say they'll be, no one does the right thing anymore...everyone in D.C's looking out for number one instead of the people that elected them...big change is needed across the board...big change...it can seem hopeless but I still believe...I still have hope and am praying for change...and am willing to MY part to make it happen.

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:44 pm

yeah but English business men have NO LOYALTY, even my nephew runs a pub with an English owner, and its funny when wed meet up for a beer everyonce and while and tell work stories , funny how similiar all sounded, so yeah im prejudice to english businessmen-sorry but its the truth after this latest experience, funny as I become older i feel more prejudice, i wasnt raised that way-All im really saying is, if uve lived in a country for 25+ years, id say ur a citizen of that country and stop leaning on ur work visa, if u like the place( obviously so, go take the citizenship test, but maybe he has bad feelings about the revolution war! hahahaha-btw, i am originally from dc and both sides do suck; LESS LAWYERS, and more commonsense businessmen/women to solve real issues; if uve run a biz, and been successful, then ud probably be able to run a deficit free government-ill be 40 later this year, and hope to see it in my lifetime-doubtfull though

Post by **stipud** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:23 pm

Meh. My dad is still a Dutch citizen, and he's been here since the 70's, and permanently since '84. He runs a biochemistry lab, studying to cure "superbugs" -- bacteria, which have become resistant to antibiotics. He has employed hundreds of Canadians and foreigners alike.

He keeps his Dutch citizenship because he can travel back to the EU whenever he wants. He can always get back to Canada because he is a landed immigrant. Only downside is he can't vote, which doesn't matter where we live anyways (calgary always votes conservative). So, aside from traveling to the US, it means he has far less trouble when traveling (which he does a LOT). My dad still feels Dutch, but he has been a formidable Canadian immigrant, and has won many many awards for his work.

I don't think that makes him a bad person, nor do I think it should exclude him from any rights to pension or social security, etc. He has earned it.

America owes its prosperity to immigrants. I can understand you might be bitter about a boss who laid you off, but I don't think that has anything to do with him being English... maybe he's just an asshole?

So, let's deport all the assholes then

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:31 pm

he is an asshole, and i mean no disrespect either, he just truly is the biggest , pompous( his words) ass ive ever met-sorry not really trying to piss anyone off, but it seems like the 40-55 year old generation is always like yeaph thats the way it is, accept it etc.( and my brother is 52-and my inlaws are of same age, and exboss aswell, and its funny, b/c i always thought of older people as wiser individuals as people to look upto, be respectfull to,(mayb thats just gone with my dad and mom generation-dad was 75, mom is 72)... but b/c of my ex boss' actions i had to literaLLY FIGHTjust to get food stamps(nicely put ebt_) for my 4 year old daughter, so yes my exboss is an asshole, and he proves one thing, and that is you must have at least 6inches to impregnant a women-as he has no children, he (in his words) thankfully has yet to spawn-ok i think i got it all out-

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:35 pm

about the food stamp part, and being a natural born citizen of this country, damn right it pisses me off b/c he reaps more benfits than me and my family-i think thats wrong-sorry, but it is-( thats it last time)

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:58 am

thedeal7235 wrote:he is an asshole, and i mean no disrespect either, he just truly is the biggest , pompous( his words) ass ive ever met-sorry not really trying to piss anyone off, but it seems like the 40-55 year old generation is always like yeaph thats the way it is, accept it etc.( and my brother is 52-and my inlaws are of same age, and exboss aswell, and its funny, b/c i always thought of older people as wiser individuals as people to look upto, be respectfull to,(mayb thats just gone with my dad and mom generation-dad was 75, mom is 72)... but b/c of my ex boss' actions i had to literaLLY FIGHTjust to get food stamps(nicely put ebt_) for my 4 year old daughter, so yes my exboss is an asshole, and he proves one thing, and that is you must have at least 6inches to impregnant a women-as he has no children, he (in his words) thankfully has yet to spawn-ok i think i got it all out-

Ever met a French Canadian?

OldSchoolFool · Post by **OldSchoolFool** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:56 pm

Okay, you are right. Not just grass roots, but the whole damn plant. Like I said: top to bottom.

With thinking like this (and you all have heard crap like this from city councils to Congress) no wonder we are scratching our heads. We need to replace the whole lot.

The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed down from generation to generation, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.

In the Public Service, however, a whole range of far more advanced strategies is often employed, such as:

1. Change riders.

2. Buy a stronger whip.

3. Do nothing: "This is the way we have always ridden dead horses".

4. Visit other countries to see how they ride dead horses.

5. Perform a productivity study to see if lighter riders improve the dead horse's performance.

6. Hire a contractor to ride the dead horse.

7. Harness several dead horses together in an attempt to increase the speed.

8. Provide additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance.

9. Appoint a committee to study the horse and assess how dead it actually is.

10. Re-classify the dead horse as "living-impaired".

11. Develop a Strategic Plan for the management of dead horses.

12. Rewrite the expected performance requirements for all horses.

13. Modify existing standards to include dead horses.

14. Declare that, as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overheads, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line than many other horses.

15. Promote the dead horse to a supervisory position.

thedeal7235 · Post by **thedeal7235** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:13 pm

never met a french canadian, but a women who was from Toronto was my wife's assitant; and let me tell u first class all the way, go out her way to give u the shirt off her back; hell, she and her husband didnt even know my father, yet they showed up , for support, when he passed, so, (not to sound egotisical) they must think pretty highly of my wife and I, i got it all out guys, now im trying to fix the cable and the internet connection, so even when I dont work, theres work to be done, THE MAN SABOTAGED MY CABLE-just kidding, thanx for letting me get it out-