"rSD comp tweeter" A-pillar mounting question

dragonplayboy · Post by **dragonplayboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:41 am

eyesofra wrote:
but for my ears i just couldnt get it to sound any better than the initial setup...

Wait, which was the initial setup?

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:54 am

the first one....I've attached the pic on how the rsd go into my car with the tweets facing the windscreen and mids at factory location. ( page 1 post 1)

what really surprised me here was that placing the tweets deep down didnt really lower the sounstage height...
maybe a little lower but nothing " damaging "

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:16 am

I have my RSd woofers and tweets in kick panels.

While my sound stage doesn't sound extremely high, it seems to stretch well from mid dash to most of the way up the windshield. Things start to change a bit when a window opens but I'm not certain how that affects the "height".

Just throwing my experience out there.

dragonplayboy · Post by **dragonplayboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:34 am

eyesofra wrote:the first one....I've attached the pic on how the rsd go into my car with the tweets facing the windscreen and mids at factory location. ( page 1 post 1)

what really surprised me here was that placing the tweets deep down didnt really lower the sounstage height...
maybe a little lower but nothing " damaging "

so now I'm confused, do I put my tweets in kicks, or what?

Post by **VW337** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:39 am

the guru's?

Well IMHO since the RSd's are designed for musical overlap and the time decay properties are also included, the only option you have when installing them utilizing the passive XO is to install the tweet near the mid on the same plane.

Now if you were to go active and ditch the XO you have entered into a new realm and you can do whatever you wish with either driver.

dragonplayboy · Post by **dragonplayboy** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:51 am

Errin, should I angle the woofs/tweets (if in kicks) both at the driver, at the opposite passenger, between the two, off axis, what do you reccomend?

Thanks!!!

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:35 am

got that very clear now errin...thanks

is it ok to angle the tweets towards the cabin while being on the same plane as the mids ? ( referring back to the diagram attached in page 2 )
will this again cause phase issues ??

Post by **VW337** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:41 pm

If you are going to angle the tweeter make certain you angle the mid as well, when you change the angle of one it is no longer on the same plane. Think of what you have if you were to flush both drivers into your wall.

In regard to aiming the set it is a matter of trial and error in most cars. Take into account the off axis response of the tweeter (which is only about -1 db at 20 degrees) and in most cases the center console or lack of will make a world of difference. In my experience the two initial trials are aiming both kicks at the drivers head rest, the roof between the driver and passenger headrests (for less side biasing), or at the rear view mirror. The last case should work well in this case since the tweets have a good off axis response and this will minimize your side biasing and give you a pretty focused center stage without loosing much height do to kick panel location.

To aim your kicks go buy a laser pointer and mount it to some popsicle sticks glued together in a + fashion, so if you were to set the sticks on the table the laser pointer will be standing straight up. You can then place a post it note or masking tape in the position you want to focus the kicks at and then you have a target to aim at.

dragonplayboy · Post by **dragonplayboy** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:54 am

there's a huge center console, it's more of a cockpit setup rather than a bench seat. I'll play around with positioning... any good test tracks anyone can reccommend? (or PM me?)

Post by **VW337** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:30 am

Peter Gabriel - OVO album - Time of the turning reprise, the weavers reel.

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:22 am

well with no space for kick panel install i'm left with one option in my a car ...leave it as the way it is rite now ( as in the diagram..the last one).
Gosh it is difficult to get it rite...with phasing,space constraints and all the issue.

But thanks so much guys for all the assistance so far.It has helped alot for sure.

One last question of the chart , would there be any distortion issues if i were to bridge my 4ch amp into 2channel to feed the componets ?
Rite now i'm running only 2 channels ( front left/right), with rear channels unused. Thinking of making use of them too.

thanks guys.

Post by **stipud** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:29 am

I have an idea... Put it wherever the hell you want to. If it sounds good, you're done. Phasing... path length differences... time alignment... whatever happened to "sounds good"? Theory can only go so far... it's finding a balance between theory and practice that yields the best results

eyesofra · Post by **eyesofra** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:36 am

yeah tried that trick too stipud ...

but the resulting sound was what forced me into looking for an alternative install...
oh well...mid in factory location and tweets on kick sounds better than the first install anyway....
so thinking of leaving it that way for some time ....

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:11 am

dragonplayboy wrote:there's a huge center console, it's more of a cockpit setup rather than a bench seat. I'll play around with positioning... any good test tracks anyone can reccommend? (or PM me?)

Cephalic Carnage - Ontogony of Behavior

Post by **stipud** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:23 am

fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:Cephalic Carnage - Ontogony of Behavior

That song gives me braingasms.

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:29 am

i think its the law the you have to post it on a ftp for us to download

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:44 am

Here are two Cephalic Carnage songs.

Be patient as I upload... things are being funny with post attachments.

Here they are:

Scientific Remote Viewing

Ontogony of Behavior

Post by **smgreen20** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:19 pm

Page can not be dislpayed

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:23 pm

Yep, my host (which is oddly enough the same as Tom's) is down right now for whatever reason.

Nothing I can do about it.

EDIT: IT'S BACK!!!

Post by **Bfowler** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:54 pm

those songs caused anxiety.

Post by **VW337** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:48 pm

fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:Here are two Cephalic Carnage songs.

Be patient as I upload... things are being funny with post attachments.

Here they are:

Scientific Remote Viewing

Ontogony of Behavior

I think a bong hit would have slowed that down for pleasant listening, however it is way too far over the top for me....................IMHO noise, no talent, sorry.

dragonplayboy · Post by **dragonplayboy** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:25 pm

fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:
Here they are:

Scientific Remote Viewing

What in the name of shit is wrong with you? that isn't music, it sounds like a bunch of autistic kids found musical instruments and a keg of red bull in the same room.

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:04 pm

It sounds like pure genius to me.

To be fair, I didn't expect anyone here to like it. Not that I'm jaded or riding a clydesdale or anything but I understand that Cephalic Carnage isn't something just anyone can get into and that's fine. I can understand why most people wouldn't like it... but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying it on a totally different level than were most others will judge it.

What I enjoy about it:

1) The precision
2) The power and expression
3) The groovy rhythms and melodies (yes, they exist, but not everyone can feel their groove)
4) The bad-assness of it
5) The totally insane yet amazing drummer
6) The fact that for as far as grind metal goes, these guys have rather massive variety in their music (not all 100% grid, they have slower stuff and more classic rock influenced riffs and such)

And I'm sure there's more to it than that if I were bothered to sit here and think about it for a while, but that's off the top of my head.

Post by **Bfowler** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:40 pm

they sound like cannibal corpse to me

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:41 pm

Bfowler wrote:they sound like cannibal corpse to me

They've certainly been influenced by them, seeing as Cannibal Corpse is pretty much the granddaddy of grind, at least in North America.