please help!

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:04 pm

Today I swapped my peice of crap Ultimate amp out, and installed my M50 in its place. all I did was unhooked the one and installed the M50. First off, I have alternator whine

As I think of it Im sure I can fix that issue. Second, I have a turn on pop (slight but still a pop) and thirdly I need to turn the gain up from 3/4 - full to get any decent volume out of it, and still not even close to the power I expected and know it has. The caps were replaced by Randy, so that is not an issue. The Ultimate amp that was in bfore had way more balls.... AND THAT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.

Please help, Im very frustrated at the moment.

thanks guys,Dean

Post by **Wakeup** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:11 pm

hmmm....have you tried installing the old amp back to see if the problems are still evident...? (just asking!) At least if you do this you can narrow it down to the m50....having issues or something....

How's the wiring looking like? are you running anything else in between or any line drivers, xovers, or EQ's...etc?

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:11 pm

Have you installed the EQ yet ?

Using it's line driver feature ?

The pop on has to be coming from a ground along with the alternator wine

Post by **Wakeup** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:12 pm

dBincognito wrote:Have you installed the EQ yet ?

Using it's line driver feature ?

The pop on has to be coming from a ground along with the alternator wine

Hehe....I was thinking the same thing....

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:13 pm

I would also suggest using the delayed remote turn on coming off the EQ going to the amp

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:20 pm

dBincognito wrote:I would also suggest using the delayed remote turn on coming off the EQ going to the amp

I dont have the cables or the money for cables at the moment so I have not hooked the eq up

As for xovers Im just running the passives. The biggest issue Im worried about is the gain potentionometer, having to crank it to get half decent power. Even with all the alternator whine at the moment............the SQ is

MINT!

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:22 pm

I am going to get rid of my wire mess in the morning

the gain issue is my biggest peave at the moment. And no I dont have the other amp because I sold it already

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:23 pm

oldskoolmseriesfan wrote:
dBincognito wrote:I would also suggest using the delayed remote turn on coming off the EQ going to the amp
I dont have the cables or the money for cables at the moment so I have not hooked the eq up As for xovers Im just running the passives. The biggest issue Im worried about is the gain potentionometer, having to crank it to get half decent power. Even with all the alternator whine at the moment............the SQ is MINT!

Line Driver's make all the difference when it comes to that gain knob...what cables do you need to make it work ?

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:27 pm

I had the M50 screaming on my mids on the bench hooked up to EQ230...and the gain was at the minimum setting

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:29 pm

dBincognito wrote:
oldskoolmseriesfan wrote:
dBincognito wrote:I would also suggest using the delayed remote turn on coming off the EQ going to the amp
I dont have the cables or the money for cables at the moment so I have not hooked the eq up As for xovers Im just running the passives. The biggest issue Im worried about is the gain potentionometer, having to crank it to get half decent power. Even with all the alternator whine at the moment............the SQ is MINT!

Line Driver's make all the difference when it comes to that gain knob...what cables do you need to make it work ?

Im just remembering back in the day, with my 1st M50, I never had a line driver, and the gain was barely 1/2 way

and my mids rocked. I just need a short length of RCA's really. I think Ive got enough other 4gwg kicking around. I also dont have any dblocks

with 2 amps and a cap

Its a real nasty rats nest which I am quite

about.

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:30 pm

dBincognito wrote:I had the M50 screaming on my mids on the bench hooked up to EQ230...and the gain was at the minimum setting

and this has the line driver feature aswell?

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:31 pm

oldskoolmseriesfan wrote:
dBincognito wrote:I had the M50 screaming on my mids on the bench hooked up to EQ230...and the gain was at the minimum setting
and this has the line driver feature aswell?

All of the EQ's have a built in line driver....it's in the manual

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:32 pm

What do you think those left/right input/output settings are

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:34 pm

I can solve this man's RCA and D-block problems unless someone who lives closer can hook him up

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 8:36 pm

dBincognito wrote:What do you think those left/right input/output settings are

SMART ASS

Well looks like I need to start rippin shit apart and getting this install started. I used the cash from the amp I sold today to treat my kids...............there is always a way to get more

...........in times of need

Post by **fuzzysnuggleduck** » Wed May 27, 2009 9:01 pm

Do you have a DMM? If you do, get some readings from the RCAs and then the amp. Should lead you to understand if the issue is the signal entering the amp or the amp itself.

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Wed May 27, 2009 9:02 pm

fuzzysnuggleduck wrote:Do you have a DMM? If you do, get some readings from the RCAs and then the amp. Should lead you to understand if the issue is the signal entering the amp or the amp itself.

aints got one

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:05 am

Im going to take the seats out and reroute my wiring, and I am sure I do have a ground loop somewhwere

Im going to beat up some crack whores and steal theyre money to grab the stuff I need

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:08 am

oldskoolmseriesfan

ground loop somewhwere

I would start with the wire going to the alternator, and the grounds that go to the battery under the hood.....if you haven't run new wires for your radio, I would do that as well.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:10 am

I think the first thing you should do. Is install that EQ even if only for a minute and check to see if you have a difference on that gain knob.....we need to hammer that out first

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:11 am

dBincognito wrote:oldskoolmseriesfan
ground loop somewhwere
I would start with the wire going to the alternator, and the grounds that go to the battery under the hood.....if you haven't run new wires for your radio, I would do that as well.

I have never done the BIG 3, and a little hesitant to do it. 4 gwg is the proper wire for this, correct?

waynehead · Post by **waynehead** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:11 am

D-block on your ground would solve your noise. I had the same thing happening to me. Sometimes you even have to ground your deck in the same spot. I would also like to think a line driver would help you. I have a tld-22 im not using. Dont think it would cost much to ship.

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:14 am

waynehead wrote:D-block on your ground would solve your noise. I had the same thing happening to me. Sometimes you even have to ground your deck in the same spot. I would also like to think a line driver would help you. I have a tld-22 im not using. Dont think it would cost much to ship.

You guys are making my head hurt

I need to think a few things over today, finances and such, being jobless sucks, add two kids into the mix, and a killer install waiting to be done, = MIGRAINE

waynehead · Post by **waynehead** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:15 am

It is always best to go as big as you can, I did mine in 4 back when I had my 2 xs2300's and since I took one out and put in a x1200.1 I havent redone it

but its doing fine. If you arent a bass head then 4 works great.

oldskoolmseriesfan · Post by **oldskoolmseriesfan** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:17 am

dBincognito wrote:I think the first thing you should do. Is install that EQ even if only for a minute and check to see if you have a difference on that gain knob.....we need to hammer that out first

Agreed, I was making sweet love to it last night