problem with Audio Art 200.2

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:52 am

here are the originals you sent me

gbody805 · Post by **gbody805** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:12 am

The pics Grid posted are of the same amp board in my opinion.
The torrids are the same but are taken at two different angles.
If you look at the three gold windings you can see the gap in the first but it is not as shadowed as the second pic which makes it more noticable.

The second pic is more then likely the amp as recieved.

The first pic is the amp after someone tried to do what ever they did.

The trace I pointed out is the result of the soldering iron being left too long on the board and it started burning, discoloring.

Which if it is the result of the so called tech's work shows me he wasn't that good of a tech to begin with.

This just shows me the amp was in pretty much good condition when arrived but the after photos show an amp board that has been the victim of a novice or a hack repair tech.

Either way. A refund is normally given for a as shipped returned item.
You return it in the same condition as received.
You should have returned it without touching it.
At the least you should have taken it to a real tech and had a sheet printed of the bad parts or sections.
Then got in touch of the seller.

Digging into the amp pretty much locked you into keeping it.
You can call the seller a cheat/ lier or what ever.

But you must take the position of dumbass for letting the board get nearly destroyed by hacking at it.
Then to try to return a hacked - up board that is no where near what it was when recieved.

No who is the lier/cheat.

gridracer · Post by **gridracer** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:21 am

yeah but on the torrid if you go in paint and take a straight line and put it up against the first winding one clearly shows it is curved while the other is straight.
There is alot of similarities on the boards but too many differences in my opinion. It does look alot like whatever tech worked on it is a hack.
Also why would the resistor be burnt on the board after the repair and not before?
If it is the same board its hacked to shit and not randys fault as that is not how it was shipped. as proof in the before pic

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:35 am

@gridracer
toroid is the same
red paint on cap is the same
white socket could have been broken
chip socket is normally upgraded to a fast-switch when you have to work on it
For every difference you try to find, then you will find ten similars! Open your eyes.

@gbody805
someone who got eyes working here

good man you are quite right at all..
1randy didn't propose me a ''send it back option'', and I either didn't ask him because the cost of shipping was bigger the the repair bill.
Dumbass??
I never touch the board, a tech did it. Yes it coud do a better work with a service manual or a scheme.
I never ask for a return now that the amp works fine.
Randy always told me he would pay the bill if I would give him a paperwork and proves. So I get the amp repaired. Then Randy escapes. Then Randy accuse me of cheating.
Randy is a liar.

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:36 am

sound to me like two difernt boards.. It just sound odd about the tec person
We are not here to pick side but the proof is in the pictures (Great eye grid) Imissed the littel white plastic broken when i looked
If i had to make a call these are 2 differnt amp one that was damage and one that is not no what one you got from DB????

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:45 am

kg1961 wrote:sound to me like two difernt boards.. It just sound odd about the tec person
We are not here to pick side but the proof is in the pictures (Great eye grid) Imissed the littel white plastic broken when i looked
If i had to make a call these are 2 differnt amp one that was damage and one that is not no what one you got from DB????

you only talk about component that could be have changed or damaged repairing it.
difference in the board? toroid?
why don't you try to find similars??
why don't you try to argue how 2 amps could have so much similars??

It's silly because I know myself amp is the same but here I understand you can make believe people everything!

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:52 am

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:02 am

any amp from the same seires and time of production should look the same or almost.
if like saying all bmw 2008 328i that were blue looked like mine. but mine was a POS topend 4000km was replace tranny at 9 000km when there are other that I sure run great
Im not call you out or trying to defend Db. All Im saying is there are differnce and they are similar. Its the Differnces that make us say is this the same or not?? Im sure there are guy here with 10 of the same amp with the board v and they all look the same but the one that has been touched look 98% the same.
I have sold/bought a couple of thing from Db and he has always been a straight shooter.

I have also sold many thing on this forum and other all over the world
and i have alway listed my item to the best of my knowledge.
Did the tech say what cause the damage? install error? loose wire touching the something? load on a test bench?Im sorry Im not a tech.
Personally I would not have done what you did about the repair and it .Paypal Im sure will not help you know that it has been touched.

With the lack of craftsmanship of the tech you picked

. Even i would have a hard time paying what he asked for
who is to say his lack of quailty didn't cause some of the cost of repair
sorry I can't read or speak your language

Im not going to say anything else on this hope you get what you are looking for
sorry this has happened and your not happy with someone from this phourm
Mike

gbody805 · Post by **gbody805** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:02 am

You really can't expect Randy to pay for any of the repairs.

What was caused by the hack job that was started and what was the root/original problem?

Does the repair bill include the replaced caps?
What about the resistors/ other parts the might have been damaged from the hack doing the first testing on the amp.

You can't expect him to pay for repairs that were caused by your own, and the tech that needed the manual inexpereance with this amp.

This is pretty much a done deal.
You can't deny the difference in photos from one board to the other.
One board looks to be factory original.
The others looks like my four year old got a hold of it.

Look at it this way.
At this point you can't say what was the original problem and what was caused by the other botched repairs.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:24 am

kg1961 wrote:any amp from the same seires and time of production should look the same or almost.
if like saying all bmw 2008 328i that were blue looked like mine. but mine was a POS topend 4000km was replace tranny at 9 000km when there are other that I sure run great
Im not call you out or trying to defend Db. All Im saying is there are differnce and they are similar. Its the Differnces that make us say is this the same or not?? Im sure there are guy here with 10 of the same amp with the board v and they all look the same but the one that has been touched look 98% the same.

I repeat.. Toroid is the same, toroid solder point are the same, toroid+board is the same, AND SO amp is the same!
If ANYONE here can find a pic in the world with a board with the same toroid as the one I have I will ship him my amp free ok???

I have sold/bought a couple of thing from Db and he has always been a straight shooter.

I would like to say the same..

I have also sold many thing on this forum and other all over the world
and i have alway listed my item to the best of my knowledge.
Did the tech say what cause the damage? install error? loose wire touching the something? load on a test bench?Im sorry Im not a tech.

Of course. It's in the paperwork. And Randy could ask direct to laboratory.

Personally I would not have done what you did about the repair and it .Paypal Im sure will not help you know that it has been touched. With the lack of craftsmanship of the tech you picked . Even i would have a hard time paying what he asked for
who is to say his lack of quailty didn't cause some of the cost of repair

The bill is cheap for what he has done. Amp received by randy was broken, amp received by tech works fine.

sorry I can't read or speak your language

Thanks man. This give me a chance to improve my english

Im not going to say anything else on this hope you get what you are looking for
sorry this has happened and your not happy with someone from this phourm
Mike

I'm sorry too.
Hope life give us another chance to have good time eachother.
Thank you

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:34 am

gbody805 wrote:You really can't expect Randy to pay for any of the repairs.

What was caused by the hack job that was started and what was the root/original problem?

Sorry but I trust in tech work.

Does the repair bill include the replaced caps?
What about the resistors/ other parts the might have been damaged from the hack doing the first testing on the amp.

You can't expect him to pay for repairs that were caused by your own, and the tech that needed the manual inexpereance with this amp.

The bill included ONLY the part that was original broken (caps leaking) or original wrong (transistors)
Tech didn't ask anything even for the signal caps and op-amp he change searching the problem.

This is pretty much a done deal.
You can't deny the difference in photos from one board to the other.
One board looks to be factory original.
The others looks like my four year old got a hold of it.

Look at it this way.
At this point you can't say what was the original problem and what was caused by the other botched repairs.

No man I look this way:
Randy give me an amp.
Amp doesn't work fine.
Randy agree ship to tech and pay the bill.
Tech repair it.
Amp now work fine.
Randy escape.
Randy injury me.
Forum take joke of me.
Forum partially excuse.

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:41 am

in the two pics, the first one there is some corrosion on the board by c21 and C22 where they are soldered, ther is none in the 2nd pic. Did the tech clean the rust and corrosion from the board? I would expect the torroids to be damn near identicle as they are generally wound specific to each amp.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:46 am

we already talk about these..

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:56 am

what is the red jumper wires on the first pic on the left side that are not visable in the 2nd pic?

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:58 am

looks like the tech bypassed a cap or 2?

Post by **ttocs** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:02 am

I was guessing a couple of transistors myself if that was the case

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:50 am

Sending it back was the first option dueche.......always has been with me, anyone who's dealt with me knows that..YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT......especially when I sold you that amp for $120...I mean come one, I could resell that amp for almost $300, I sold it cheap so I could buy something else...not like I made any money to begin with.

I won't deny for one second that I led you on, worked well didn't it......you can't do shit with PayPal now, and it looks like there is good reason for me leading you on.....so.....

It is in my best interest to watch my ass

and all this talk of colors, the Audio Art 200.2 I sold him was black as shown in the buy/sell area.

gbody805 · Post by **gbody805** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:18 am

Were the photos taken before you sent it to the Tech that fixed your hack job?

You keep saying the tech did this and you trust tech work.

Then why were you doing any work yourself. Why not send it first to the tech.

Seems alittle fishy that all this damage is in one photo and not in the other.
If this is the same board then someone hacked it up very badly.

Bottom line.

One transitor was bad when you got it.
Someone trying to find this fact tore into the board and made a good board bad.

Now you want to try to get paid for problems you or your tech caused.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:09 am

Here is the original buy/sell thread, all the pics are still there

http://phoenixphorum.com/possibly-for-s ... 14524.html

Here is all the pics of what it looked like when I sent it ( prior to hacking )

It's clear that there is no electrolytic fluid on the board, and that the board is clean and was taken care of, just a little rust on the endplates, I was planning on having Matt coat it for me with a NT finish.

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:25 am

This is his " version "

I also want to mention that I sent the package as a " gift ", so you didn't have to pay import taxes.

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:45 am

dBincognito wrote:Sending it back was the first option dueche.......always has been with me, anyone who's dealt with me knows that..YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT......especially when I sold you that amp for $120...I mean come one, I could resell that amp for almost $300, I sold it cheap so I could buy something else...not like I made any money to begin with.

I won't deny for one second that I led you on, worked well didn't it......you can't do shit with PayPal now, and it looks like there is good reason for me leading you on.....so.....

It is in my best interest to watch my ass

and all this talk of colors, the Audio Art 200.2 I sold him was black as shown in the buy/sell area.

RANDY LIES as common..
1)
he didn't propose me a send it back..
you know I ask him several time to prove this but it didn't mind about..
I HAVE all the pms if a mod want to come and see is welcome, Randy NEVER told me about a send it back..

2)
I pay 169 usd shipped..
In the original thread he ask 80 shipped to usa..
So whats up Randy??
Do you ask me 120 for the amp and 49 for the ship?
You told me shipping would cost 90...

RANDY DON'T UNDERSTAND as common..
You sold me a brown amp not black..
I ship a white amp to tech to help him found problem..
So he repair the brown amp..
It's simple and I've already told you several times..

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:52 am

gbody805 wrote:Were the photos taken before you sent it to the Tech that fixed your hack job?

What ''hack job''? Have you ever read this thread?
The tech receive the same amp Randy ship me..

You keep saying the tech did this and you trust tech work.

Then why were you doing any work yourself. Why not send it first to the tech.

It's what I've done ahahahah come on look at the beginning of the thread try to understand something or don't speak anymore..

Seems alittle fishy that all this damage is in one photo and not in the other.
If this is the same board then someone hacked it up very badly.

Bottom line.

One transitor was bad when you got it.
Someone trying to find this fact tore into the board and made a good board bad.

Now you want to try to get paid for problems you or your tech caused.

How old are you?
If you read before it's all explained kid..

dBincognito · Post by **dBincognito** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:00 am

Nico156 wrote:
dBincognito wrote:Sending it back was the first option dueche.......always has been with me, anyone who's dealt with me knows that..YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT......especially when I sold you that amp for $120...I mean come one, I could resell that amp for almost $300, I sold it cheap so I could buy something else...not like I made any money to begin with.

I won't deny for one second that I led you on, worked well didn't it......you can't do shit with PayPal now, and it looks like there is good reason for me leading you on.....so.....

It is in my best interest to watch my ass

and all this talk of colors, the Audio Art 200.2 I sold him was black as shown in the buy/sell area.

RANDY LIES as common..
1)
he didn't propose me a send it back..
you know I ask him several time to prove this but it didn't mind about..
I HAVE all the pms if a mod want to come and see is welcome, Randy NEVER told me about a send it back..

2)
I pay 169 usd shipped..
In the original thread he ask 80 shipped to usa..
So whats up Randy??
Do you ask me 120 for the amp and 49 for the ship?
You told me shipping would cost 90...

RANDY DON'T UNDERSTAND as common..
You sold me a brown amp not black..
I ship a white amp to tech to help him found problem..
So he repair the brown amp..
It's simple and I've already told you several times..

1
I asked you what you wanted to do, send it back, or keep it.....you wanted to keep it, hacking it and modifying it was not part of the deal.
I'm sorry I can't take screenshots because I sold you this amp on July 12th....I've bought and sold more than dozen amps since then, plus I have some custom work getting done and I just don't have pm's that old in my inbox.

2
I forgot I lowered the price to $80
shipping was $90, I gave you two options remember, the cheap way, or the good way, the good way costs more.
That fucking amp right there, is BLACK....or am I color blind now ?

Post by **kg1961** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:01 am

the 2 pic do look very differnt the glue on the caps, fuse ,rub marks on the heat sinks in the upper middle were the brown/black art amp case is
and this i looking for less than a mintue.
The only thing that make me think it might be the same amp is the amount of solder on the speaker termails the first one lowest. I would love to see pics on amp guts. But the first amp sold pics doesn't have the damaged transitor that had burn marks??

I don't know guys I would say 2 differnt amps bu thats me

I seems like this is just going to name calling and fourm bs from here out
so i will not be reading this any more

Nico156 · Post by **Nico156** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:03 am

All of you can see that some caps were popped out till the beginning of this thread.
When a cap is popped out it can easily be leaking.
Leaking eat board.
That's the mark of the fluid that you see.

As always something that we already explained..
Randy and his friends don't know what else to argue about..

Remember some post ago he said it wasn't the same board..

Now it is the same board but..